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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: bassnman] #14954863 01/14/24 03:13 PM
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I think they have length restrictions on the private docks. Better hope it's next to a creek channel if you buy and build. Might not be usable half the year.

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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: bassnman] #14956447 01/15/24 04:25 AM
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All I know is the 90” wide pipe will hold a lot water that runs all the way to McKinney .

Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #14956500 01/15/24 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SkeeterRonnie
I think they have length restrictions on the private docks. Better hope it's next to a creek channel if you buy and build. Might not be usable half the year.


There are only three half decent feeder creek channels on the whole lake.
You would think a lake that size would have more feeder creeks, but it doesn’t, its kind of weird.


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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: SkeeterRonnie] #14956785 01/15/24 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SkeeterRonnie
Dont get caught. roflmao
I remember when Cooper filled. At that point I was driving from Greenville to Paris every day on 24. There'd be folks parked on the shoulders of the highway with jon boat rigs sneaking into the lake from Doctor's and John's Creeks. If my memory serves me correctly there were some fines issued for that.


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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)] #14956971 01/15/24 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
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I think once it gets full it will hold it's elevation much better than Cooper. You can look at it now on the Navionics website and it it is built more like Lake of the Pines than Cooper. It's more of a bowl shaped lake, not a lake with large areas of shallow flats like Cooper. Cooper just evaporates its self to death in the hot summer months. If you try to look at Bois Darc on Navionics you'll have to zoom in a time or two before it shows up.

Cooper gets drained to give water to the DFW area. It does evaporates some but they suck it dry. I don't think it would evaporate 14 feet low like it was a few years ago.

I talked to a civil engineer about it and if it lost water level to just the pumping from month to month it would be barely noticeable. The problem Cooper has is about a third of it is two to three feet deep when it is at pool stage. There is another big section of it that is about five to six feet deep at pool stage. As summer comes on the two to three foot section really heats up and starts to evaporate and as that process begins the five to six foot section begins to become shallow enough to come into the process of over heating. During the drought of 2006 we lost over 2/3's of the lake because of that.
A lot of that could be stopped if they'd let it fill to the top of the spillway, that would allow those shallow flats to become deep enough to not be so susceptible to the heat but they say the dam is not designed to hold that pressure. This past spring when all the rains finally ended they left Cooper a foot high instead of draining it back to pool stage, it definitely made a difference. The discussion I had with the civil engineer we were actually talking about Fork and it gets pumped at the same rate as Cooper. He said Fork looses about a 1/10 of an inch to DFW pumping per month.


They pump a lot of water year round into Lewisville from Cooper from what I understand. That definitely can't help!

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Originally Posted by KidKrappie
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I think once it gets full it will hold it's elevation much better than Cooper. You can look at it now on the Navionics website and it it is built more like Lake of the Pines than Cooper. It's more of a bowl shaped lake, not a lake with large areas of shallow flats like Cooper. Cooper just evaporates its self to death in the hot summer months. If you try to look at Bois Darc on Navionics you'll have to zoom in a time or two before it shows up.

Cooper gets drained to give water to the DFW area. It does evaporates some but they suck it dry. I don't think it would evaporate 14 feet low like it was a few years ago.

I talked to a civil engineer about it and if it lost water level to just the pumping from month to month it would be barely noticeable. The problem Cooper has is about a third of it is two to three feet deep when it is at pool stage. There is another big section of it that is about five to six feet deep at pool stage. As summer comes on the two to three foot section really heats up and starts to evaporate and as that process begins the five to six foot section begins to become shallow enough to come into the process of over heating. During the drought of 2006 we lost over 2/3's of the lake because of that.
A lot of that could be stopped if they'd let it fill to the top of the spillway, that would allow those shallow flats to become deep enough to not be so susceptible to the heat but they say the dam is not designed to hold that pressure. This past spring when all the rains finally ended they left Cooper a foot high instead of draining it back to pool stage, it definitely made a difference. The discussion I had with the civil engineer we were actually talking about Fork and it gets pumped at the same rate as Cooper. He said Fork looses about a 1/10 of an inch to DFW pumping per month.


They pump a lot of water year round into Lewisville from Cooper from what I understand. That definitely can't help!


There is a discharge on Lavon that comes from Cooper. Unaware of one running to Lewy.


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Irving owns the water right for lake Cooper/chapman from what I understand. There is a spillway on doe creek that is on daily pumping in anywhere from 30-100 cfs. It states on there that it is city of Irving water. That water is held in Lewisville and then released down the elm fork into Irving .

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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: bassnman] #14958072 01/16/24 02:08 PM
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I know when Lavon is at its lowest you can see water running towards the main lake on the east side of the 380 bridge down the old creek bed.


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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: bassnman] #14958523 01/16/24 07:12 PM
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We have too many people in Texas. That's the problem. We built lakes when we had 10-12 million people. Now we have 30 million. The answer isn't one medium-sized lake that won't fill.

Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: bassnman] #14958558 01/16/24 07:40 PM
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DFW is plagued by regular, cyclical drought.....it'll only get worse as more and more concrete gets paved over the north central Texas soil.


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Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: Razorback] #14958625 01/16/24 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback
We have too many people in Texas. That's the problem. We built lakes when we had 10-12 million people. Now we have 30 million. The answer isn't one medium-sized lake that won't fill.



Have Abbott send 20 million illegals back to Mexico, problem solved.

Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: CCTX] #14958629 01/16/24 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CCTX
DFW is plagued by regular, cyclical drought.....it'll only get worse as more and more concrete gets paved over the north central Texas soil.


If they would enforce watering restrictions, quit watering concrete and plant the right plants - well, that would go a long way....

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Abbott has it figured out for sure

Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: bassnman] #14958640 01/16/24 08:36 PM
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Damn who.knew?.....not only do bass fishermen know more about stocking and maintaining than fisheries biologists but they now know more about how to build lakes. blush

Re: Bois d'Arc Ever Gonna Fill? [Re: Txduckhunter] #14958655 01/16/24 08:43 PM
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DFW is plagued by regular, cyclical drought.....it'll only get worse as more and more concrete gets paved over the north central Texas soil.


If they would enforce watering restrictions, quit watering concrete and plant the right plants - well, that would go a long way....


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