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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:30 AM
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So you'll give him no credit if/when they win it all?
Credit for what? Winning? Sure. I'll give him credit for the wins now. Credit for making the best baseball decisions? Not at all. Bringing in Leclerc at 11-5 with 2 outs in the 9th, when he pitched yesterday and we have a game tomorrow is a Ron Washington level stupid move.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:31 AM
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So you'll give him no credit if/when they win it all?
Credit for what? Winning? Sure. I'll give him credit for the wins now. Credit for making the best baseball decisions? Not at all. Bringing in Leclerc at 11-5 with 2 outs in the 9th, when he pitched yesterday and we have a game tomorrow is a Ron Washington level stupid move. OK
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:33 AM
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He seems to know what he is doing. IMO, he is the singular reason the Rangers are one win away from winning the World Serious. I will not even pretend to know baseball but even as a casual observer I wish I had a dollar for as many times as this team got wrote off this year by guys posts on here. Just going back to the start of the year and throughout the year I doubt a single fan saw them sitting 3 games to 1 in the World Series this season. If they can't win 1 out of the next 3 then it just wasn't meant to be. I hope they pull it off. Yall fans deserve it.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:34 AM
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He knows how fast they can score. 2 outs in the 9th inning. They could hit back to back homers and still be 2 runs down. Giving the opponent another look at your closer so they have a better chance in closer/future games makes no sense. Running your closer out there after he pitched last night and you hope you need him tomorrow in a blowout makes no sense. Bochy has mis-managed a bunch of stuff. Team winning in spite of him rather than because of him.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:37 AM
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To be clear, there are moves I agree with, moves I disagree with, and moves that are just wrong.
I agreed with keeping Semien at #1 and putting Carter at #3 and keeping Jung at #8. I mostly liked his lineup changes with Adolis out. I liked starting Heaney today, and he brought in Dunning at the right time. I would have held off on pulling Burke but that was fine.
Starting Scherzer in game 3 and game 7 of the ALCS was just a disagree, not a wrong. He pitched well in his lone WS outing.
Bringing in leclerc in the 9th was just dumb. Wrong. Not debatable or subjective - it was just a dumb move.
I love Bochy. When I played, my athleticism wasn't what got me as an elite player in HS and a very good player in college - it was my brain. I was always 3 steps ahead of guys and I made up for a lack of speed and quickness with knowledge and quick thinking. And I could hit. So I just really put a fine tooth comb on all manager decisions. Bochy is obviously one of the best of all time and it comes across probably super egotistical to question him at all...I don't think I know everything, but I probably don't say the 95% of his moves that I agree with - just the ones that I don't.
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:37 AM
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He seems to know what he is doing. IMO, he is the singular reason the Rangers are one win away from winning the World Serious. I will not even pretend to know baseball but even as a casual observer I wish I had a dollar for as many times as this team got wrote off this year by guys posts on here. Just going back to the start of the year and throughout the year I doubt a single fan saw them sitting 3 games to 1 in the World Series this season. If they can't win 1 out of the next 3 then it just wasn't meant to be. I hope they pull it off. Yall fans deserve it. Yes, Yes we do.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:38 AM
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He knows how fast they can score. 2 outs in the 9th inning. They could hit back to back homers and still be 2 runs down. Giving the opponent another look at your closer so they have a better chance in closer/future games makes no sense. Running your closer out there after he pitched last night and you hope you need him tomorrow in a blowout makes no sense. Bochy has mis-managed a bunch of stuff. Team winning in spite of him rather than because of him. Let me guess you're a hall of fame manager?
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:39 AM
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Was this win more important to the Rangers than the loss was bad for the Diamondbacks? No, this one was more important for the D-backs. Losing to a team missing their best hitter when they were down 2-1 going into the game....this was nearly a must-win for them. The first team that loses a must-win is usually the team that loses the series. But we've been a lot closer than this before. Still need one more win to be crowned. Great loss by the Diamondbacks, one more and the snakes can go hibernate until Spring training.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:40 AM
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He seems to know what he is doing. IMO, he is the singular reason the Rangers are one win away from winning the World Serious. I will not even pretend to know baseball but even as a casual observer I wish I had a dollar for as many times as this team got wrote off this year by guys posts on here. Just going back to the start of the year and throughout the year I doubt a single fan saw them sitting 3 games to 1 in the World Series this season. If they can't win 1 out of the next 3 then it just wasn't meant to be. I hope they pull it off. Yall fans deserve it. Baseball is a funny game. Get hot at the right time and you can win it all. STL was not the best team when they beat Texas in 2011. It was just their time. Hopefully this is our time.
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:44 AM
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He knows how fast they can score. 2 outs in the 9th inning. They could hit back to back homers and still be 2 runs down. Giving the opponent another look at your closer so they have a better chance in closer/future games makes no sense. Running your closer out there after he pitched last night and you hope you need him tomorrow in a blowout makes no sense. Bochy has mis-managed a bunch of stuff. Team winning in spite of him rather than because of him. Let me guess you're a hall of fame manager? Let me guess...he can't be questioned because we're winning? Look at the Ron Washington years - some of the worst managing in baseball history and we almost won a world series during that time frame...why do you think nobody gave him a managerial job again? Just because we win doesn't mean the manager is amazing... That said Bochy is one of the best of all time...said it in another post but I agree with 95%+ of what he does. But a few moves really frustrate me and that was one of them.
Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards. - Soren Kierkegaard
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:45 AM
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To be clear, there are moves I agree with, moves I disagree with, and moves that are just wrong.
I agreed with keeping Semien at #1 and putting Carter at #3 and keeping Jung at #8. I mostly liked his lineup changes with Adolis out. I liked starting Heaney today, and he brought in Dunning at the right time. I would have held off on pulling Burke but that was fine.
Starting Scherzer in game 3 and game 7 of the ALCS was just a disagree, not a wrong. He pitched well in his lone WS outing.
Bringing in leclerc in the 9th was just dumb. Wrong. Not debatable or subjective - it was just a dumb move.
I love Bochy. When I played, my athleticism wasn't what got me as an elite player in HS and a very good player in college - it was my brain. I was always 3 steps ahead of guys and I made up for a lack of speed and quickness with knowledge and quick thinking. And I could hit. So I just really put a fine tooth comb on all manager decisions. Bochy is obviously one of the best of all time and it comes across probably super egotistical to question him at all...I don't think I know everything, but I probably don't say the 95% of his moves that I agree with - just the ones that I don't.
I guess then, in a similar manner I don't agree with everything he does either, but there are two absolute facts at play here and I'll just speak for me and nobody else. 1. I have zero WS championships in my resume. 2. Bochy has 3, and probably soon to have 4.
Family is everything! Life is precious. We don’t have forever. We have now. This moment. We can choose to love our lives now.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 03:48 AM
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patriot07
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To be clear, there are moves I agree with, moves I disagree with, and moves that are just wrong.
I agreed with keeping Semien at #1 and putting Carter at #3 and keeping Jung at #8. I mostly liked his lineup changes with Adolis out. I liked starting Heaney today, and he brought in Dunning at the right time. I would have held off on pulling Burke but that was fine.
Starting Scherzer in game 3 and game 7 of the ALCS was just a disagree, not a wrong. He pitched well in his lone WS outing.
Bringing in leclerc in the 9th was just dumb. Wrong. Not debatable or subjective - it was just a dumb move.
I love Bochy. When I played, my athleticism wasn't what got me as an elite player in HS and a very good player in college - it was my brain. I was always 3 steps ahead of guys and I made up for a lack of speed and quickness with knowledge and quick thinking. And I could hit. So I just really put a fine tooth comb on all manager decisions. Bochy is obviously one of the best of all time and it comes across probably super egotistical to question him at all...I don't think I know everything, but I probably don't say the 95% of his moves that I agree with - just the ones that I don't.
I guess then, in a similar manner I don't agree with everything he does either, but there are two absolute facts at play here and I'll just speak for me and nobody else. 1. I have zero WS championships in my resume. 2. Bochy has 3, and probably soon to have 4. Same for me on both counts. My opinions are worth what you paid for them. I just don't enjoy having them questioned because Bochy is Bochy and i'm patriot07. They should be questioned on the merit of the facts, if someone wants to disagree.
Last edited by patriot07; 11/01/23 03:49 AM.
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 04:04 AM
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Re: Rangers vs D-backs, Game 4 of the World Series
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11/01/23 04:27 AM
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To be clear, there are moves I agree with, moves I disagree with, and moves that are just wrong.
I agreed with keeping Semien at #1 and putting Carter at #3 and keeping Jung at #8. I mostly liked his lineup changes with Adolis out. I liked starting Heaney today, and he brought in Dunning at the right time. I would have held off on pulling Burke but that was fine.
Starting Scherzer in game 3 and game 7 of the ALCS was just a disagree, not a wrong. He pitched well in his lone WS outing.
Bringing in leclerc in the 9th was just dumb. Wrong. Not debatable or subjective - it was just a dumb move.
I love Bochy. When I played, my athleticism wasn't what got me as an elite player in HS and a very good player in college - it was my brain. I was always 3 steps ahead of guys and I made up for a lack of speed and quickness with knowledge and quick thinking. And I could hit. So I just really put a fine tooth comb on all manager decisions. Bochy is obviously one of the best of all time and it comes across probably super egotistical to question him at all...I don't think I know everything, but I probably don't say the 95% of his moves that I agree with - just the ones that I don't.
I guess then, in a similar manner I don't agree with everything he does either, but there are two absolute facts at play here and I'll just speak for me and nobody else. 1. I have zero WS championships in my resume. 2. Bochy has 3, and probably soon to have 4. Same for me on both counts. My opinions are worth what you paid for them. I just don't enjoy having them questioned because Bochy is Bochy and i'm patriot07. They should be questioned on the merit of the facts, if someone wants to disagree. I will disagree because the game isnt over until its over... you were questioning his decision to put an end to the game as soon as possible with his closer because you were thinking about the future... had he left his other pitcher in and someone knocked it out of the park, that crowd would have gone berserk and anyone he could have brought in would have been under a lot of pressure. Two runs down after home run or two, how would you like to have been called out to close things down.. what if you walked the first batter you faced..now your facing the tying run. If LeClerc lost the game at that point, he would have lost a lot of confidence for those future games. Didnt the rangers lose a game a while back in bottom of ninth after giving up 5 or 6 runs?
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