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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Nathan Bass] #14838472 09/15/23 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan Bass
Allison, the huge gray area in this crazy saga, is that the property was purchased at what may not be fair market value. We now know that Todd is window dressing for a group that is trying to gain citizenship to the US, they probably look at their investment as more of an entry fee than typical ROI. We have all assumed that the State screwed this deal up from day one from the typical governmental incompetence. There is a small chance, that the State actually knew the property was not worth the asking price and figured no one would ever make an offer, because the math just doesn't work. Another thing the Chinese money helps to explain, is Todd refusing the 25 million to walk away. It's probably impossible to have good faith negations with someone in Todd's position, which is why the State had to ultimately use eminent domain. texas


It is a gray area. They have nothing in the area to compare it to.
What he bought it for is not the value. A person who sees dollar signs will overpay if he has to in order to get something he can improve and make money on.
Its not that hard to address the market value. Its what a reasonable person would think he could buy the property from Todd if he was open to selling it. As it stands Todd is positioned to make many millions on his investment IMO. That is what they should be looking at in the meetings, not just what he paid for it.

They could factor in that real estate is not a sure thing, that at this stage it isn't worth as much to him as it would be when completed. But it is worth more, much more than he paid to get the property, or he would not have offered to buy it.



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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Allison1] #14838481 09/15/23 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison1
All this talk we are doing is revolving around different ways of looking at properly paying for the land.

Its obvious what the value is to Todd. I think everyone understands that he will lose money if the state can get it at what he paid for it or anything close. I also think everyone understands that the state can take the land for what its worth.



The discussion should center around why anyone believes he should not be paid for the land based on what its value is now while being developed.



because he knows he lost and what he is doing now is not very sportsman like... there, end of story.. now go read your liberal rag.

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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: RPD] #14838483 09/15/23 02:16 PM
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He bought it thinking the state did not want it.
How do you think its right for him to lose money when the state comes in after the fact and tries to take what is rightfully his?
The laws on eminent domain are clear. The value is market value at the time of the meeting.

In my mind its what a person can expect to be able to buy the place for if he was willing to sell.

I do not understand those that think he should take a loss.


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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Allison1] #14838499 09/15/23 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison1
He bought it thinking the state did not want it.




well lets look at your first sentence above... He bought it thinking the state did not want it.
you state that as a fact... is it a fact?, you knew what he was thinking? I dont think so.


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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: RPD] #14838519 09/15/23 03:00 PM
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Somebody said the State got an injunction to enter the park. That is not entirely accurate. They are able to go in to do a level 1 survey. They wanted access to do a level 2 survey but the Judge denied it. So they can’t just barge in and shut things down.


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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: RPD] #14838526 09/15/23 03:15 PM
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Personally I question spending the amount of money it's gonna cost. 200 million plus. So a few miscreants from Fairfield can fish. For that kind of money the state could steal lots of other land all over the place. For a bunch cheaper.

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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: RPD] #14838530 09/15/23 03:17 PM
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They can all go sit under the i45 bridge above rc and bank fish. They will be right at home

Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: lconn4] #14838554 09/15/23 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison1
He bought it thinking the state did not want it.




well lets look at your first sentence above... He bought it thinking the state did not want it.
you state that as a fact... is it a fact?, you knew what he was thinking? I dont think so.




Why do you think that?

The state operated a park there and when Vistra told them that they would put it up for sale the state put a notice on their website saying that the new owner would decide if they could continue or shut down.
What would make him feel that they wanted the park? Why would anyone think the state had an interest in buying the park before Todd said they were going to terminate the lease?

This from an article Jan 2019,
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In a legislative hearing last week, state Senator Charles Schwertner, a Republican from Georgetown who represents Fairfield, asked TPWD Executive Director Carter Smith about the situation. “It would be our hope that we could continue to see that lease extended with the new buyer of that property so that the state park did not go away, but ultimately we’re going to be at the mercy of the new owner,” Smith told Schwertner.


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A Vistra spokesperson said the company has leased the land to the state at no cost and gave the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department a two-year notice that it intended to terminate the lease effective October 2020. The spokesperson said Vistra encouraged the state to submit a bid to buy the entire property — but the state did not submit a bid.

The state leased the 1,460-acre park from Texas Utilities in 1971-1972 and opened it in 1976, according to Texas Parks and Wildlife.


It is pretty apparent to me that the state knew in 2018 that the property was going to be for sale and that they were ok with that. Also its apparent that they did not move to try to take it till after a bid to buy it was accepted.


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dont forget it was a no charge free lease the state had pretty sure anybody that bought the property would keep that deal going.

Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: ssmith] #14838589 09/15/23 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ssmith
dont forget it was a no charge free lease the state had pretty sure anybody that bought the property would keep that deal going.

I'll bet they got a significant tax break for it also. They dang sure wasn't paying taxes on a 110M property.


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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Chris B] #14838969 09/16/23 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris B
Originally Posted by ssmith
dont forget it was a no charge free lease the state had pretty sure anybody that bought the property would keep that deal going.

I'll bet they got a significant tax break for it also. They dang sure wasn't paying taxes on a 110M property.


At one time I bet Big Brown paid based on a billion valuation. As time went on and coal became more expensive compared to other fuels the land valuation sank at Monticello. From over a billion to under 400m in 8 years. According to a lawsuit the power plant had the valuation was only $50m just before it shut down.
https://www.texasobserver.org/luminant-corp-property-tax/


If Texas takes over the lake it will pay based on what, 100 or 200 million or whatever they pay for it. If Todd wins it will pay based on how successful the development is, maybe a billion.
I think that is one good reason why the county favors private enterprise vs the state.



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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Chris B] #14839076 09/16/23 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris B
Originally Posted by ssmith
dont forget it was a no charge free lease the state had pretty sure anybody that bought the property would keep that deal going.

I'll bet they got a significant tax break for it also. They dang sure wasn't paying taxes on a 110M property.


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