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 Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
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09/14/23 12:25 AM
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wabash2015
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Let's see the people come out and defend Todd and his Chinese business partners for robbing state lands. Can't wait to see this guy and his buddies lose millions of dollars. Yea like they stopped the sale of the four sixes ranch to mostly Chinesein racks t firms or the largest cattle lots to a Chinese conglomerate. Or 25% of Tesla Starlink. Your post is a joke no court is going to stop a sale because of foreign government n esters. Go ahead and donate your house and the property it sits on to the CCP.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: wabash2015]
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09/14/23 01:00 AM
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Dubee
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Let's see the people come out and defend Todd and his Chinese business partners for robbing state lands. Can't wait to see this guy and his buddies lose millions of dollars. Yea like they stopped the sale of the four sixes ranch to mostly Chinesein racks t firms or the largest cattle lots to a Chinese conglomerate. Or 25% of Tesla Starlink. Your post is a joke no court is going to stop a sale because of foreign government n esters. Go ahead and donate your house and the property it sits on to the CCP. Why would he donate his house and property to anyone?
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: 9094]
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09/14/23 02:08 AM
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WAWI
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Let's see the people come out and defend Todd and his Chinese business partners for robbing state lands. Can't wait to see this guy and his buddies lose millions of dollars. Yea like they stopped the sale of the four sixes ranch to mostly Chinesein racks t firms or the largest cattle lots to a Chinese conglomerate. Or 25% of Tesla Starlink. Your post is a joke no court is going to stop a sale because of foreign government n esters. You are arguing with people who are irrational and generally not very smart. It better to poke them with a stick and watch them throw poop all over their cage.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: RPD]
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09/14/23 02:45 AM
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grout-scout
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Forgive me for not reading 89 pages, has Allison “fact checked” everything in this thread yet? He’s never wrong, you know.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: Dubee]
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09/14/23 05:03 AM
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Razorback
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I haven't heard from Todd since the state made its court filing. Before that the statements and threats from him were flying everywhere. It sort of reminds me of the time I went all in with a pair of sixes, which seemed like it might work until the guy with the aces over full house called my bluff. "Statements and threats flying everywhere". You sure like to exaggerate This is from just one story. Todd himself issued his own warnings to the state about using eminent domain. This is from his attorney.
"Attorney warns Texans about decision to use eminent domain to acquire Fairfield Lake State Park land"
"Irresponsible". "Disastrous". "Dangerous". Talk about exaggerating...
Last edited by Razorback; 09/14/23 05:08 AM.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: Razorback]
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09/14/23 10:16 AM
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Dubee
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I haven't heard from Todd since the state made its court filing. Before that the statements and threats from him were flying everywhere. It sort of reminds me of the time I went all in with a pair of sixes, which seemed like it might work until the guy with the aces over full house called my bluff. "Statements and threats flying everywhere". You sure like to exaggerate This is from just one story. Todd himself issued his own warnings to the state about using eminent domain. This is from his attorney.
"Attorney warns Texans about decision to use eminent domain to acquire Fairfield Lake State Park land"
"Irresponsible". "Disastrous". "Dangerous". Talk about exaggerating... I agree with his lawyers statement.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: RPD]
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09/14/23 01:05 PM
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machinist
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Exactly the TPWD screwed the pooch on this and now they are trying to save their face.
I fish on the edge and stay out of the middle
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: RPD]
#14837729
09/14/23 01:36 PM
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WAWI
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200 million gets the deal done. Just pay the man and all will be happy.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: WAWI]
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09/14/23 02:06 PM
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John175☮
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200 million gets the deal done. Just pay the man and all will be happy. Pay the man what ever is on his property tax assessment...
Joe Biden is a threat to our Constitutional Republic.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: John175☮]
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09/14/23 02:17 PM
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Allison1
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If its much more than $100m they will have to ask the state for additional funds.
They have already said they are in negotiations to buy more property for state parks this year so its $125m minus whatever they may have committed as of now.
Who does not want them to pay what Todd would sell the property for when the commission meets to determine the price the state must pay for damages? That is the way it works. Both sides will present evidence but the guidelines are clear. The price is the amount the seller would sell if he desired to sell but didn't have to.
They don't get that from some of the absurd numbers we've heard throughout this thread. Not $3k an acre. Not what he paid for it. Not what is shows on a tax appraisal. They know he bought it to make money off it and it was reasonable that he will.
All the comments and prices that want him to lose money or just hand it over for what he paid for it are IMO anti free market.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: John175☮]
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09/14/23 02:21 PM
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200 million gets the deal done. Just pay the man and all will be happy. Pay the man what ever is on his property tax assessment... So you would take that number for your house?
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: Dubee]
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09/14/23 03:13 PM
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Razorback
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I agree with his lawyers statement.
Duly noted.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: Allison1]
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09/14/23 05:18 PM
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Scoundrel
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Who does not want them to pay what Todd would sell the property for when the commission meets to determine the price the state must pay for damages? That is the way it works. Both sides will present evidence but the guidelines are clear. The price is the amount the seller would sell if he desired to sell but didn't have to. Maybe hard to understand, do you think they condemned all or part of the property? Part (b) is pretty clear but you seem to want to ignore that. ——————- Sec. 21.042. ASSESSMENT OF DAMAGES. (a) The special commissioners shall assess damages in a condemnation proceeding according to the evidence presented at the hearing. ( b) If an entire tract or parcel of real property is condemned, the damage to the property owner is the local market value of the property at the time of the special commissioners' hearing.(c) If a portion of a tract or parcel of real property is condemned, the special commissioners shall determine the damage to the property owner after estimating the extent of the injury and benefit to the property owner, including the effect of the condemnation on the value of the property owner's remaining property. (d) In estimating injury or benefit under Subsection (c), the special commissioners shall consider an injury or benefit that is peculiar to the property owner…. —————- That said, the special commission has latitude to determine the valuation, maybe fair maybe high maybe low. Then both sides decide to either accept or move to the next level. If TPWD accepts and pays they take possession while next level in court proceeds.
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: John175☮]
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09/14/23 05:48 PM
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Nathan Bass
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John here's the problem with that. The appraisal district has not changed the values or assessments from what Luminant was paying for years, maybe because of the pending litigation? If you run everything Todd or FLG bought and is shown to currently own, the total assessed value is only $9,153,902.00. This amount does not include the water area, which is owned by the State of Texas and is held in trust for the citizens of the state. This amount also does not account for the value any of the buildings would have had, since they were built and owned by the State which is tax exempt. The info and link is below if you want to dig around. https://www.freestonecad.org/ ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2023/09/full-111247-197921-result_1694709088181.jpg)
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting
[Re: Scoundrel]
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09/14/23 06:10 PM
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Allison1
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Who does not want them to pay what Todd would sell the property for when the commission meets to determine the price the state must pay for damages? That is the way it works. Both sides will present evidence but the guidelines are clear. The price is the amount the seller would sell if he desired to sell but didn't have to. Maybe hard to understand, do you think they condemned all or part of the property? Part (b) is pretty clear but you seem to want to ignore that. ——————- Sec. 21.042. ASSESSMENT OF DAMAGES. (a) The special commissioners shall assess damages in a condemnation proceeding according to the evidence presented at the hearing. ( b) If an entire tract or parcel of real property is condemned, the damage to the property owner is the local market value of the property at the time of the special commissioners' hearing.(c) If a portion of a tract or parcel of real property is condemned, the special commissioners shall determine the damage to the property owner after estimating the extent of the injury and benefit to the property owner, including the effect of the condemnation on the value of the property owner's remaining property. (d) In estimating injury or benefit under Subsection (c), the special commissioners shall consider an injury or benefit that is peculiar to the property owner…. —————- That said, the special commission has latitude to determine the valuation, maybe fair maybe high maybe low. Then both sides decide to either accept or move to the next level. If TPWD accepts and pays they take possession while next level in court proceeds.
terms of “adequate compensation,” the Texas
statutes refer to compensated damages in terms
of “market value.” Market value has been further defined in case law as “the price the property will bring when offered for sale by the one
who desires to sell, but is not obligated to sell,
and is bought by one who desires to buy, but is
under no necessity of buying.” (See State v. Carpenter, 89 SW 2d 194, CT. of Civil App., 1936.)
The issue of market value is not necessarily
determined by current usage. Texas law permits
the consideration of the highest and best use
to which the land can reasonably be adapted in
ascertaining market value."the price the property will bring when offered for sale by the one Todd Interests who desires to sell, but is not obligated to sell, and is bought by one TPWD who desires to buy, but is under no necessity of buying". What is the highest and best use that the land can reasonably be adapted? I would think it has to include the use that Todd is currently developing it for. That language I used comes from a guide put out by Texas A&M titled Understanding the Condemnation Process in Texaswhich I took from a guide that was taken from a list provided online from the Texas State Law Library.
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