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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Greg W] #14814620 08/17/23 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg W
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Todd money vs. State of Texas money and power reminds me of the PGA Tour's wealth vs. Saudi money. There was no way the PGA Tour was going to win a spending war with Saudi Arabia. Hence, LIV Golf basically owns the PGA Tour now.


To this point the state has not appropriated any money for obtaining park land through condemnation. The legislature does not meet again until 2025. Last session they were unable to pass legislation to make Todd go through two state agencies to change the water permit for Fairfield Lake. What are the chances they will call a special session to appropriate the necessary funding?


No chance. But do you know what Todd has to do to change the water permit as the rules stand today? I've never seen that written up in any articles I've seen. Does he just need to get Freestone County to change their permit or is it more complicated than that?

There is a state environmental agency that has authority to change water permits. No one knows if he has or intends to apply for a change.

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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: RPD] #14814626 08/17/23 06:19 PM
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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: RPD] #14815211 08/18/23 04:55 AM
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Let’s look at it this way. Todd and Vistra came to an agreement on a purchase price. Somewhere between 90 and 110 million. Agreed? Ok the state offers Todd 25 million to stop the transaction. Ok now do you think Vistra is going to take less than the agreed price with Todd? When Todd agreed to pay whatever the price was then they set the price of what it was worth.
So the State is still going to be out the 25 million plus the 110 million purchase price.


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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: machinist] #14815549 08/18/23 02:40 PM
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Let’s look at it this way. Todd and Vistra came to an agreement on a purchase price. Somewhere between 90 and 110 million. Agreed? Ok the state offers Todd 25 million to stop the transaction. Ok now do you think Vistra is going to take less than the agreed price with Todd? When Todd agreed to pay whatever the price was then they set the price of what it was worth.
So the State is still going to be out the 25 million plus the 110 million purchase price.


I agree with what I think you are saying. About 2-3 months ago a willing buyer and a willing seller agreed on a price of somewhere between $90 million and $110 million. What better way is there to come up with market value than a recent, arms length transaction between two willing, uncoerced parties?

There's your market value, between $90 and $110 million. Todd can claim whatever he wants about future value. Good luck to him with that. If you bought your house and land in June for $400,000, how are you going to argue with the appraisal district that its value is really only $80,000?

Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Razorback] #14815617 08/18/23 03:06 PM
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Let’s look at it this way. Todd and Vistra came to an agreement on a purchase price. Somewhere between 90 and 110 million. Agreed? Ok the state offers Todd 25 million to stop the transaction. Ok now do you think Vistra is going to take less than the agreed price with Todd? When Todd agreed to pay whatever the price was then they set the price of what it was worth.
So the State is still going to be out the 25 million plus the 110 million purchase price.


I agree with what I think you are saying. About 2-3 months ago a willing buyer and a willing seller agreed on a price of somewhere between $90 million and $110 million. What better way is there to come up with market value than a recent, arms length transaction between two willing, uncoerced parties?

There's your market value, between $90 and $110 million. Todd can claim whatever he wants about future value. Good luck to him with that. If you bought your house and land in June for $400,000, how are you going to argue with the appraisal district that its value is really only $80,000?


So what happens if someone offers Todd 200M for the property ? Sell sell sell lol


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If someone with enough money but little enough brains offers Todd $200 million for a property that is about to be condemned, I say they should both go for it.

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If someone with enough money but little enough brains offers Todd $200 million for a property that is about to be condemned, I say they should both go for it.


Big time hypothetical but if that happened the state would have to pay fair market value which would be 200M.


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bang selling price does not set fair market value. It may raise value some when used as a comp with other land in the area. Future value is not fair market value either...Vistra was the smart one, took the money and laughed all the way to the bank.


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Just because someone over pays for a property doesn’t make that the value. State appraisal says it’s worth 85.


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bang selling price does not set fair market value. It may raise value some when used as a comp with other land in the area. Future value is not fair market value either...Vistra was the smart one, took the money and laughed all the way to the bank.


I will bet a dollar to a donut that Todd gets at least what he paid for the property plus his expenses, and I really doubt that he is going to lose the property. The state had the first option to buy the property, they chose not too, Todd bought it fair and square, if it goes to court I do not see how Todd could lose. No more comments from me, going to sit back and watch it all unfold, I do hope somehow it remains a state park.


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If someone with enough money but little enough brains offers Todd $200 million for a property that is about to be condemned, I say they should both go for it.


Big time hypothetical but if that happened the state would have to pay fair market value which would be 200M.

What happens if it doesnt appraise for 200M?

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Re: FAIRFIELD, things are about to get interesting [Re: Happykamper] #14815996 08/18/23 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Happykamper
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If someone with enough money but little enough brains offers Todd $200 million for a property that is about to be condemned, I say they should both go for it.


Big time hypothetical but if that happened the state would have to pay fair market value which would be 200M.


Actually the feds would be looking into collusion. But I get your point and it was big time hypo
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bang selling price does not set fair market value. It may raise value some when used as a comp with other land in the area. Future value is not fair market value either...Vistra was the smart one, took the money and laughed all the way to the bank.


I will bet a dollar to a donut that Todd gets at least what he paid for the property plus his expenses, and I really doubt that he is going to lose the property. The state had the first option to buy the property, they chose not too, Todd bought it fair and square, if it goes to court I do not see how Todd could lose. No more comments from me, going to sit back and watch it all unfold, I do hope somehow it remains a state park.


So when they built Jerry World they condemned at least 100 houses that people bought fair and square. Some had lived there over 30 years. That has nothing to do with Imminent Domain. ID is taking land from the few for the common good of the many and over compensating them in the process. That's what it is. You act like just because you own property legally it can't be condemned. In this case you have 80,000 visitors per year vs 400 homes. I wish the state had done this right from the beginning but the state has the legal right to do this. Now the price might be too high and Todd is intentionally destroying the park to make it as painful as possible on the state. And that's his legal right. Whole thing stinks and state blew this big time. If they want it it's going to cost them 1.5x to get it back plus whatever damage has been done to the park. If the state doesn't do this the lake will be drained to 1/2 it's current size, thousands and thousands of fish, animals and birds will die. It's f'd up.

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Just because someone over pays for a property doesn’t make that the value. State appraisal says it’s worth 85.


Correction and one of my questions from the beginning. Their first offer when they found out Todd had agreed to buy it was some stupid low number. 6 or 7 million. Has the state even done an appraisal. It will come out at some point but I've seen no evidence of one yet.


bronco made a good point. Its not future value. Its the value at some point along the way.
Todd officially bought it on June 1.
TPWD voted to purchase it with any means possible at their Jun 10 meeting.
Around July 25 the TPWD commissioner sent a letter responding to the Freestone County commissioners that said clearly that they had not started the eminent domain process.

What was the value on any of these days. On June 1 Todd had plans to make a billion plus dollar development on it.
It has to be valued at more than he paid for it IMO.
This a different eminent domain case than any I've ever seen. I have never heard of a case of eminent domain being used to buy land that was under development.



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