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 Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: BillS2006]
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09/15/22 05:14 PM
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Does Trey now get DQd from all the other opens he fished? No, why would he? Argument could be made that if he wasn't insurance compliant at this event them he was/could have not been in compliance at previous events - which would have made him ineligible to fish or guilty of rule violation. I'm sure nothing will become of this due to the can of worms it would open. I also don't think this was by design, it was simply a mistake that he didn't catch. That would be like getting a speeding ticket and the cop writing you another ticket because if you were speeding today, you must have been speeding last week.  right.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: BillS2006]
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09/15/22 05:21 PM
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Txduckhunter
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Does Trey now get DQd from all the other opens he fished? No, why would he? Argument could be made that if he wasn't insurance compliant at this event them he was/could have not been in compliance at previous events - which would have made him ineligible to fish or guilty of rule violation. I'm sure nothing will become of this due to the can of worms it would open. I also don't think this was by design, it was simply a mistake that he didn't catch. That would be like getting a speeding ticket and the cop writing you another ticket because if you were speeding today, you must have been speeding last week. Not so much. Pretty easy to chase a document trail showing if you did or did not have required insurance during events you fished. Doesn't matter to me one way or another but nice try.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
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09/15/22 05:41 PM
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Makes you wonder if someone overheard him talking about not having that coverage and they then snitched on him Nobody "snitched". He was boat number 2. They check the first two boats.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
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09/15/22 05:46 PM
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Makes you wonder if someone overheard him talking about not having that coverage and they then snitched on him Nobody "snitched". He was boat number 2. They check the first two boats. As much as the sport has changed it wouldn't surprise me one single bit.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/15/22 06:27 PM
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ssmith
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if it is required by the tournament it is nobodys fault except the guy that broke the rule.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/15/22 07:08 PM
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This brings up some interesting questions. Can an entity such as BASS just call up Allstate and ask them if "X" angler had insurance 3 months ago? Can an organization make a participant "have to prove" they had insurance 3 months ago when that said contest has already concluded with insurance checks being done and proper protocol followed? Especially without any legal incidents taking place?
Finance companies do it because they own our toys. A judge could probably do it if it were relevant in a case. I am not so sure that even a cop could do this.
I do know this, if it were me, I would definitely have a problem if I were docked $$ or points because my insurance co released private information to a non legal entity, especially w/o incident.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/15/22 07:46 PM
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If BASS wanted to be just a step above a bit midget wrestling league, they would do the legwork and verify coverage on this fella and see if there was any money paid recently while he was not in compliance, and then make monetary adjustments as needed if any were warranted. I mean that’s the rules right? Or do they just keep their head in the sand since he’s related to a name of someone.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: emorydog]
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09/15/22 08:30 PM
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If BASS wanted to be just a step above a bit midget wrestling league, they would do the legwork and verify coverage on this fella and see if there was any money paid recently while he was not in compliance, and then make monetary adjustments as needed if any were warranted. I mean that’s the rules right? Or do they just keep their head in the sand since he’s related to a name of someone. This is why I mentioned it could be the can of worms.... IF that was done, I would venture to say that ALL anglers who received a check would need to be checked...... The papers I have in my boat show a start date and end date of policy as well as coverage - pretty simple.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/15/22 08:58 PM
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emorydog
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Not all were found to be in violation
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/15/22 09:19 PM
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BillS2006
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Maybe they could require the last ten years of proof of insurance, IRS tax returns, proof of education and a note from their third grade teacher.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/15/22 09:48 PM
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Way back in the day the requirement used to be $250k and I'd be willing to bet that is probably what some of them have, as expensive as everything has gotten they probably need to up it a litle more anyway. If I was involved in a boat collision and the absolute worst happened I'd be affraid $300k wouldn't cover it all these days, especially if there was a long term hospital stay involved.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: emorydog]
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09/15/22 09:49 PM
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If BASS wanted to be just a step above a bit midget wrestling league, they would do the legwork and verify coverage on this fella and see if there was any money paid recently while he was not in compliance, and then make monetary adjustments as needed if any were warranted. I mean that’s the rules right? Or do they just keep their head in the sand since he’s related to a name of someone. This kid isn’t the first to be DQ’d because of insurance and if “since he’s related to someone” had any merit, wouldn’t he have NOT been DQ’d at all.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/16/22 01:39 AM
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Monty Wright
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He's only made 1 check this year, the first Open.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: GeoFisher]
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09/16/22 01:50 AM
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Maybe they could require the last ten years of proof of insurance, IRS tax returns, proof of education and a note from their third grade teacher. Well...just a simple check of this years coverage for the Opens he fished would suffice on my end. I thing your list is pretty excessive and don’t think anyone would go for that.
I don't have a dog in this fight and am no means a BASS apologist, but I don't think BASS was doing anything any different than most tournament organizations here. To check everything that needs to be checked prior to a tournament takes man power. Man power costs money and then ya have another thread with folks griping about tourney payout's. While were at it, do we need to check SS #'s and ID's to make sure they are who they say they are? Are they legal citizens? Passport up to date? What about age restrictions? Do we want to check a birth certificate too? How about criminal records? We don't want a camera man or co angler in the boat with a felon right? I mean, where does it end?
Sort of like polygraphs.....ya cant poly everyone!! So you do the best you can by choosing a few and keeping people as honest as possible, just like they do with insurance. I see your argument, but it lacks feasibility in my opinion.
Proof of financial responsibility is pretty high in the list of importance as it is designed to protect others as well. It takes literally seconds at registration at the tournament, there is already someone there checking you in so no real added costs. The rest of your stuff falls under what I suggested to the other guy...a little too much and don’t think people will go for it.
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Re: Trey Swindle DQ
[Re: b00stin4]
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09/16/22 03:03 AM
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Simple as the old saying, “it is what it is”.Let him get the insurance coverage and move on. I’m sure he thought he was doing it right.
Heck I’m sure Uncle Gerald is pouring enough money into his venture to not have to worry about an extra $50 a year difference in the premium.
Trey will be fine, I think it was a wake up call for BASS to institute a better program of making sure they have the right insurance. It can’t be all that hard, have them send in a copy of their insurance with their payment to that open tournament, problem solved.
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