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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/25/22 09:33 PM
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/25/22 09:46 PM
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When was your last app? Did you use the stress blend? If you did and with their bag app rate you would have put down 0.25lbs of nitrogen per 1000. They are recommending every 30-45 days which is fine. Let me know what you have on hand. I'm planning on 2 more apps for the year. This weekend and Oct 1st and call it a year. I will put down about 0.40lbs of N each app.
Do the Stonewall now. Since you have irrigation don't play the rain game. Apply your product and get it watered in. I'll apply late afternoon and irrigate the next morning. I would get 3 or so cheap rain gauges place them in a zone and run that zone for 20 minutes. Check your gauges. If you have an 1/4" in there you know that zone needs to run 40 minutes to apply an 1/2" Do this for every zone and write it down.
If you get a soil test in Feb to early March you'll get the results in time to come up with a game plan. In winter I like to write out my app plan for the year with dates, product and the amount to apply. I bank on my growing season from April 1st. to Oct 1st. Also doing your test in that time frame allows what apps you did make to have been used up and/or leached out over the winter. Giving you your most accurate soil test reading. I put the last of the stress blend down on July 29th. I currently have no fertilizer on hand. Can I apply fertilizer and pre-emergent at the same time? I can put them down tomorrow because my sprinklers go off Saturday morning. I have measured different zones of the yard and have my rotors and spray heads dialed in. I'm on water restrictions and running Wednesdays and Saturdays but I'm putting down over 1/2" each time it runs. My sprinkler guy set it to run through each zone twice so instead of running a zone for 40 minutes it will run 20 minutes and then another 20 minutes the next time it comes around. Is that good or should I let it run the full 40 minutes and then move on? I'm hating the water bill but once I got them dialed in it made a huge difference. I'll get my soil test done before March and figure out a game plan for the next growing season. Once again, I appreciate all of your time and advice! Does this look like a good start? I still need to fill in the additional fertilizer applications. Date/ Product/ Rate/ 8/26/2022/ Lesco Stonewall/ Bag Rate? 8/26/2022/ Fertilizer?/ ??? 9/30/2022/ Fertilizer?/ ??? 2/15/2023/ Gallery/ Bag Rate? 2/15/2023/ Lesco Stonewall/ Bag Rate? 5/15/2023/ Gallery/ Bag Rate?
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/25/22 10:36 PM
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Your dates look good. Stonewall do 2.5lbs per 1000 each app. I don't know the Gallery rate. I'll pull the label and let you know.
Your watering is perfect. On the fert go with Scotts Southern Turf Builder or Scotts Max. Similar products but as far as ingredients go the Max is better, but either is fine. But here is the deal. Scotts products are labeled and packaged to apply 0.90lbs of N over the recommended square footage on the bag. So lets say you have 5000sq feet. The Scotts southern 14lb bag is labeled for 5000sq feet. So you would spread 1/2 that bag now over the 5k and the other half 9/30. You're splitting up the 0.90 into two separate apps of 0.45lbs of N. The scotts max will be the same but the weight of the bag will be different as it's a different NPK ratio. Just split it half. If you haven't used scotts before their prill is very small. Basically greens grade SGN(prill size) so make your adjustment for that. It's much different than stress blend.
Yes you can apply both the same day. Just don't mix them in the hopper together. Apply one then come back and apply another. While you're at the store go ahead and get a bag of Scotts Disease Ex. Wait and apply it on your next watering date after the pre and fert. Do label rate on the EX.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/25/22 11:04 PM
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Your dates look good. Stonewall do 2.5lbs per 1000 each app. I don't know the Gallery rate. I'll pull the label and let you know.
Your watering is perfect. On the fert go with Scotts Southern Turf Builder or Scotts Max. Similar products but as far as ingredients go the Max is better, but either is fine. But here is the deal. Scotts products are labeled and packaged to apply 0.90lbs of N over the recommended square footage on the bag. So lets say you have 5000sq feet. The Scotts southern 14lb bag is labeled for 5000sq feet. So you would spread 1/2 that bag now over the 5k and the other half 9/30. You're splitting up the 0.90 into two separate apps of 0.45lbs of N. The scotts max will be the same but the weight of the bag will be different as it's a different NPK ratio. Just split it half. If you haven't used scotts before their prill is very small. Basically greens grade SGN(prill size) so make your adjustment for that. It's much different than stress blend.
Yes you can apply both the same day. Just don't mix them in the hopper together. Apply one then come back and apply another. While you're at the store go ahead and get a bag of Scotts Disease Ex. Wait and apply it on your next watering date after the pre and fert. Do label rate on the EX. You're awesome sir! I filled in some blanks for now and I think I can fill in the rest based on what my soil test says next February. Date/ Product/ Rate/ 8/26/2022/ Lesco Stonewall/ 2.5lbs per 1000sf 8/26/2022/ Scotts Max/ 1/2 bag rate 8/30/2022/ Scotts Disease Ex/ bag rate 9/30/2022/ Scotts Max/ 1/2 bag rate 2/14/2022/ Soil Test/ Update Derek ![cheers cheers](/forums/images/graemlins/default/cheers.gif) 2/15/2023/ Gallery/ ? 2/15/2023/ Lesco Stonewall/ 2.5lbs per 1000sf 5/15/2023/ Gallery/ ?
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/25/22 11:12 PM
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Great results Derek. ![[Linked Image]](https://texasfishingforum.com/forums/pics/userpics/2022/08/full-22783-151245-my_man_denzel_washington_300x222.png)
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/25/22 11:19 PM
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Going to throw one more thing out too. Perfect time to go ahead and get an elemental Sulphur app down. Lowes should have Martin brand. If not most tractor suppy's stock the tiger 90 brand. Same product. The tiger 90 is a more uniform prill. Go with the Martin if you can find it to save money. It's like $25 per 50lbs. My Lowes hasn't had it this year and having to get Tiger at Tractor Supply for $38.
I know this sounds like a lot at once. But once you have a program figured out it's not that bad. Most months are easier than others.
And mow your A off. The more you mow bermuda the better.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 12:03 AM
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Going to throw one more thing out too. Perfect time to go ahead and get an elemental Sulphur app down. Lowes should have Martin brand. If not most tractor suppy's stock the tiger 90 brand. Same product. The tiger 90 is a more uniform prill. Go with the Martin if you can find it to save money. It's like $25 per 50lbs. My Lowes hasn't had it this year and having to get Tiger at Tractor Supply for $38.
I know this sounds like a lot at once. But once you have a program figured out it's not that bad. Most months are easier than others.
And mow your A off. The more you mow bermuda the better. I'll add it to the list! I've got the mowing part down I think. I mowed Sunday before the rain and mowed it again today. Can I put the Sulpher down with the Stonewall and Scotts max or should I wait and put it down with the Disease Ex? I assume put it down at bag rate?
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 01:11 AM
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What's your square footage? You can do the Sulphur same day as the others. Break it up a bit and do some the day before you're allowed water day. Don't stress out and think all these have to be done this exact day and apply XYZ all the same day and right now. Chill and break it up a bit. Lawn Care is not meant to a miserable process, it's a passion. And in your case with Bermuda you ain't going to kill it, but can make it thrive. Your mowing schedule is pretty good, every third day would probably be ideal. Run a decent granular program next year and if you're still addicted lets talk about backpack spraying vs granular. Scalping will need addressed before spring too. Baby steps.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 01:35 AM
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For the record. For anyone wondering. Do the KISS method. Keep It Simple Stupid. Simple cultural practices of NPK/Mowing/Watering and you will see a huge difference.
Hard Rain is running one of the "cheapest" fertilizers there is. 13-13-13. But it's a quality NPK base. He took his lawn from a zero to hero this year. His fert doesn't have a sexy label or a YT'er pushing it and he's owning the neighborhood.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 02:18 AM
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What's your square footage? You can do the Sulphur same day as the others. Break it up a bit and do some the day before you're allowed water day. Don't stress out and think all these have to be done this exact day and apply XYZ all the same day and right now. Chill and break it up a bit. Lawn Care is not meant to a miserable process, it's a passion. And in your case with Bermuda you ain't going to kill it, but can make it thrive. Your mowing schedule is pretty good, every third day would probably be ideal. Run a decent granular program next year and if you're still addicted lets talk about backpack spraying vs granular. Scalping will need addressed before spring too. Baby steps. KISS...Roger that! I'll keep checking in for sure. I have 7500 sq ft. I did upgrade my spreader from the cheap scotts spreader that striped my lawn the first time I used it. I should have done more research on that one. I scalped it this year mid-March-ish when the first green blades started coming through the brown. I plan on doing the same this coming spring. Once again, I really appreciate the advice and time you put into answering our questions.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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Going to throw one more thing out too. Perfect time to go ahead and get an elemental Sulphur app down. Lowes should have Martin brand. If not most tractor suppy's stock the tiger 90 brand. Same product. The tiger 90 is a more uniform prill. Go with the Martin if you can find it to save money. It's like $25 per 50lbs. My Lowes hasn't had it this year and having to get Tiger at Tractor Supply for $38.
I know this sounds like a lot at once. But once you have a program figured out it's not that bad. Most months are easier than others.
And mow your A off. The more you mow bermuda the better. I was able to buy all 3 apps (150 lbs.) of my Sulphur from Lowes in March. Thought about putting down my last yearly app last week but I thought the rain might wash it away. I ended up getting only 1.3 inches of rain that would have been perfect for watering it in. My loss. Better safe than sorry. I`m going to put it down this a.m. after I mow, and the dew dries off the grass. Today is the last day on average that we see a 100° day. We have another cold front next week to look forward to. Maybe we have turned the corner. ![clap clap](/forums/images/graemlins/default/clap.gif) ![clap clap](/forums/images/graemlins/default/clap.gif)
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 02:08 PM
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Nice. Do you have any problems with material getting stuck between the hopper and shutter opening not allowing it to open or close? That's about the only complaint I've heard about that but that was a few years ago. They might have tightened that gap now.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 02:28 PM
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Anything should beat the Scotts spreader. Mine left green steaks in my lawn from the fertilizer collecting inside the wheels and sometimes it would not close at the end of my lawn. I`ve seen good reviews on the Echo on other forums.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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08/26/22 02:41 PM
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I have the Titan which is a Earthway 2150 copy. I've been pleased with it. I need to build an edge guard for it.
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