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Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440164 08/05/22 11:24 AM
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Well it’s another day and all looks good out my window.
The good news this morning.
Their going to pass a bill today to take more money from all of us to save the planet.
We owe a lot to the flat earthers for saving us.
Give one a hug today if you get a chance.

Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440178 08/05/22 11:37 AM
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More taxes to be completely squandered away on pork spending, great plan

Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440262 08/05/22 01:30 PM
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Re: Climate change [Re: Kattelyn] #14440302 08/05/22 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kattelyn
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They should be taxed somehow at a level commiserate with the income required to generate the wealth that they have. If you are worth 200 billion and fly on a private jet everywhere knocking up every chick that gets within spitting distance, somewhere along the way you had something that should have been taxed. I don't think stocks, or assets, or loans, should be taxed on anyone who has ordinary income commiserate with their objective net-worth. Does this mean we need a special set of rules for the ultra wealthy? Yes, probably, because they are in fact very different. If you don't understand that high net worth individuals get to play by a different set of rules you need to research it more.


cheers

It's the missing income streams that kills us from investing in ourselves. ****Edit*** and any government agency is by definition malignant** Because large companies suck these huge profits from middle and lower classes... and that just keeps misery percolating down the system. Investors get richer and we get $cr#wed

But yes. Climate!


"Flying on a private jet everywhere knocking up every chick that gets within spitting distance, so somewhere along the way you had something that should have been taxed"?

"Large companies suck these huge profits from middle and lower classes, and that just keeps the misery percolating down the system. Investors get richer and we get screwed".

The envy is palpable. I can't imagine going through life being so jealous of what other people have.

What did you and I, or anyone else, do to earn any of what Musk or Buffett has? Using your "somewhere along the way" premise, what did you do to earn part of their money? Why do you and I deserve it?

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Re: Climate change [Re: Razorback] #14440322 08/05/22 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Razorback
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Originally Posted by Jpurdue

They should be taxed somehow at a level commiserate with the income required to generate the wealth that they have. If you are worth 200 billion and fly on a private jet everywhere knocking up every chick that gets within spitting distance, somewhere along the way you had something that should have been taxed. I don't think stocks, or assets, or loans, should be taxed on anyone who has ordinary income commiserate with their objective net-worth. Does this mean we need a special set of rules for the ultra wealthy? Yes, probably, because they are in fact very different. If you don't understand that high net worth individuals get to play by a different set of rules you need to research it more.


cheers

It's the missing income streams that kills us from investing in ourselves. ****Edit*** and any government agency is by definition malignant** Because large companies suck these huge profits from middle and lower classes... and that just keeps misery percolating down the system. Investors get richer and we get $cr#wed

But yes. Climate!


"Flying on a private jet everywhere knocking up every chick that gets within spitting distance, so somewhere along the way you had something that should have been taxed"?

"Large companies suck these huge profits from middle and lower classes, and that just keeps the misery percolating down the system. Investors get richer and we get screwed".

The envy is palpable. I can't imagine going through life being so jealous of what other people have.

What did you and I, or anyone else, do to earn any of what Musk or Buffett has? Using your "somewhere along the way" premise, what did you do to earn part of their money? Why do you and I deserve it?


It is about how a society is supposed to work, not about what percentage I deserve, but how an economy is supposed to be structured so money isn't taken out of circulation, but remains in active commerce where it can still be useful and do some good.

Money in circulation helps everyone. Say in the 1950s, most money spent stayed local and tax rates on corporations were high, Money didn't stay stagnant, but was kept in circulation and everyone benefitted. As a nation, we employed a lot of people building infrastructure we still use to this day with minimal upkeep. But as taxes on corporations were lowered and we ignored or defanged anti-trust legislation, we lost revenue streams we had been diverting to investing in the nation as a whole.

We have tried trickle down economics / Reganomics for 40 years, giving breaks after breaks to businesses and they keep not trickling down. Maybe it's time to try something else?

Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440324 08/05/22 02:29 PM
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Some people are smarter than other people. Some are more talented. Some work harder. Some are more innovative. Some are more willing to take risk. And even if after all that some are "luckier", so what? "They were born into wealthier families". Again, so what? Someone along the way earned and accumulated that wealth that was passed down to heirs. You say we aren't heirs, aren't in that family lineage? Boo hoo. Whining about it or not, you still have no claim to any of it other than "I exist so I should have part of it."

I have done nothing to earn or deserve any of Elon Musk's money. I haven't earned one thousandth of a square millimeter of his private jet, or one of his rockets, or anything else he has. Being born and existing doesn't entitle people to part of other people's wealth, or at least it shouldn't. Incentivizing people to work and think and earn their own way is what makes a civilization prosper. It's a shame that we as a nation have fostered the notion that being given part of what other people have is a way to get by.

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Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440332 08/05/22 02:34 PM
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"How society is supposed to work"? So Musk's money should be, at least to some extent, divided up so that it "remains in circulation"?

Thank you for providing a nice illustration of the socialist point of view. None of us are getting enough of what he has earned on Tesla or Space X or investments or anything else, and we want and deserve more. It's just not fair that some have so much and others have so little, at least in comparison to the "rich".

Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440334 08/05/22 02:34 PM
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China got mad about Nancy’s visit so now they are going to stop talking to us about climate change….that’s kind of funny really.


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Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440344 08/05/22 02:43 PM
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Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440355 08/05/22 02:50 PM
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Just wondering why anyone cares what taxes people pay ?
I pay mine I'm not rich

Re: Climate change [Re: Kattelyn] #14440363 08/05/22 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kattelyn
Originally Posted by Razorback
Originally Posted by Kattelyn
Originally Posted by Jpurdue

They should be taxed somehow at a level commiserate with the income required to generate the wealth that they have. If you are worth 200 billion and fly on a private jet everywhere knocking up every chick that gets within spitting distance, somewhere along the way you had something that should have been taxed. I don't think stocks, or assets, or loans, should be taxed on anyone who has ordinary income commiserate with their objective net-worth. Does this mean we need a special set of rules for the ultra wealthy? Yes, probably, because they are in fact very different. If you don't understand that high net worth individuals get to play by a different set of rules you need to research it more.


cheers

It's the missing income streams that kills us from investing in ourselves. ****Edit*** and any government agency is by definition malignant** Because large companies suck these huge profits from middle and lower classes... and that just keeps misery percolating down the system. Investors get richer and we get $cr#wed

But yes. Climate!


"Flying on a private jet everywhere knocking up every chick that gets within spitting distance, so somewhere along the way you had something that should have been taxed"?

"Large companies suck these huge profits from middle and lower classes, and that just keeps the misery percolating down the system. Investors get richer and we get screwed".

The envy is palpable. I can't imagine going through life being so jealous of what other people have.

What did you and I, or anyone else, do to earn any of what Musk or Buffett has? Using your "somewhere along the way" premise, what did you do to earn part of their money? Why do you and I deserve it?


It is about how a society is supposed to work, not about what percentage I deserve, but how an economy is supposed to be structured so money isn't taken out of circulation, but remains in active commerce where it can still be useful and do some good.

Money in circulation helps everyone. Say in the 1950s, most money spent stayed local and tax rates on corporations were high, Money didn't stay stagnant, but was kept in circulation and everyone benefitted. As a nation, we employed a lot of people building infrastructure we still use to this day with minimal upkeep. But as taxes on corporations were lowered and we ignored or defanged anti-trust legislation, we lost revenue streams we had been diverting to investing in the nation as a whole.

We have tried trickle down economics / Reganomics for 40 years, giving breaks after breaks to businesses and they keep not trickling down. Maybe it's time to try something else?


You seem to have been brainwashed. Type // if you have been kidnapped and were raised by jimmy carter.

Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440368 08/05/22 02:59 PM
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"They need to pay more taxes" is a less envious-sounding way of saying, "Part of their money should be taken and given to us. That rich SOB has more than he needs, and I could sure use a lot more."

Considering I do well to make a paper airplane that flies relatively straight, count me out when the "we deserve part of the money from Musk's rockets" crew holds its rally.

Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440372 08/05/22 03:04 PM
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and for the volcano deniers, here ya go, read this.

The violent eruption of Tonga's Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai volcano injected an unprecedented amount of water directly into the stratosphere — and the vapor will stay there for years, likely affecting the Earth's climate patterns, NASA scientists say.


https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1115378385/tonga-volcano-stratosphere-water-warming


yeah, it is all humankinds fault the climate changes. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Re: Climate change [Re: bloo_rainger] #14440375 08/05/22 03:06 PM
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