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 Re: Spraying grass
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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07/30/20 10:15 PM
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the skipper
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Saw a post from some spraying on Conroe recently and lots of small bass floating after they went through. Pretty eye opening Horrible, imagine what it did to Toledo when they sprayed all that during the spawn.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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07/31/20 12:04 AM
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A friend of mine and I came off the lake yesterday 7/29/20 and there is still plenty of hydrilla all over the lake. We caught several between the hydrilla and the bank and I haven't noticed much difference in the fishing since they sprayed. We fish a few days a week out there and nothing has seemed to change. We haven't been through the ft. worth cut but there is still plenty around the pump station and boat docks. I didn't see any dead fish either. We saw one that looked like he had been caught and was bleeding and wasn't moving around too well but didn't see any dead ones. And Butch@hubbard, I don't think Breckenridge had anything to do with them spraying so Im sure they are not happy about it. If it was possible, I would bring some hydrilla to each of the lakes that need it but I think we should leave it in Hubbard.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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06/28/22 11:32 PM
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So how did that little 8 acre treatment turn out?
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: Chris B]
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06/29/22 12:21 AM
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So how did that little 8 acre treatment turn out? Just like we all figured. Found out they sprayed 500 acres not 8 from the contractor they hired. That was just about all of the grass in the lake. There definitely wasn’t 3100 acres of grass. TPWD sucks
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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06/30/22 05:46 PM
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What are the cancer implications? Eating fish, swimming in the water, aerosolized herbicides.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: Chris B]
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06/30/22 05:59 PM
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So how did that little 8 acre treatment turn out? Just back from HC a couple days ago(Tuesday). Spot treat”? Bwahahaha! I have no info, no knowledge and not going to tell y’all “I heard”. What I can say with 100% certainty is there is a fraction of the grass then has been there for the last several years. Indisputable fact: WAY LESS GRASS
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 361V]
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06/30/22 08:03 PM
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So how did that little 8 acre treatment turn out? Just back from HC a couple days ago(Tuesday). Spot treat”? Bwahahaha! I have no info, no knowledge and not going to tell y’all “I heard”. What I can say with 100% certainty is there is a fraction of the grass then has been there for the last several years. Indisputable fact: WAY LESS GRASS[u][/u] No doubt.--. I made a comment this spring that there were only a couple of places that even had grass in April whereas the 2 previous years there was a ton of hydrilla to fish in April.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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06/30/22 08:50 PM
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I wonder what herbicide they will use? Roundup? That can't be good for anything.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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06/30/22 10:38 PM
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As a retired civil servant(32 years Arlington FD) it drives me nuts that (at least on the surface) the TPWD has to answer to NO ONE. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. IDK what stories are accurate. “They said they sprayed 8 acres”, “the cold winter killed it back”, “dropping water levels”………🤷🏻♂️. I do know that the grass was plenty thick last summer after our “ICEMEGETTON” winter!
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: Outdoordude]
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06/30/22 10:58 PM
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I have seen the treatment proposal. In 2019 the total estimated hydrilla coverage was 3110 surface acres. The treatment plan calls for treating just 8 acres or 0.26% of the grass present. If you want more information about it, please contact Michael Homer with TPWD in Abilene. He is the district fisheries biologist. 325-692-0921. Sounds like a test run...what other purpose would spraying 0.26% serve? Hydrilla is the most heavily treated aquatic plant in the US, agencies know exactly how to apply the chemicals necessary to kill it or they hire experienced contractors to handle it. Why would they bother with a test run? If they wanted to nuke all of the vegetation, they'd just stock grass carp; they're far more cost effective than chemicals and will eat the hydrilla and coontail I've seen growing there in the past. A good lawyer could probably bring a lawsuit against them for the chemicals they are dumping in our lakes. No state agency would be stupid enough to use something that is not fully EPA approved and vetted. Ask the district biologist what chemical is being used, I'm sure they'll tell you. Then, you can look up the label for that product to see all of the application precautions and restrictions. If someone can prove they're not following the label instructions or using a chemical not approved for aquatic use, then they absolutely should be held accountable. I'm on the side of manage vegetation, not eliminate it, even if it's hydrilla. Hey "Outdoordude" from Arkansas. I was out there June 4th and found one tiny patch of hydrilla. So, I'm here to say--you were right, oh wise one--they didn't nuke it all...
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 361V]
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06/30/22 11:05 PM
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jbcarroll3000
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As a retired civil servant(32 years Arlington FD) it drives me nuts that (at least on the surface) the TPWD has to answer to NO ONE. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. IDK what stories are accurate. “They said they sprayed 8 acres”, “the cold winter killed it back”, “dropping water levels”………🤷🏻♂️. I do know that the grass was plenty thick last summer after our “ICEMEGETTON” winter! I got chewed up on here a few weeks ago suggesting that TPWD should be held accountable and that their history with grass should lead us all to be skeptical of their proposed solutions. Couple of guys on here even insisted I pledge an undying allegiance to the TPWD. Not sure how many grass lakes they have to turn into barren mud holes before I can say I told you so...
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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06/30/22 11:21 PM
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Chris B
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They tend to go full nuclear. Certainly ruined several good fishing lakes.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: Outdoordude]
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07/01/22 02:56 AM
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Jarrett Latta
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I have seen the treatment proposal. In 2019 the total estimated hydrilla coverage was 3110 surface acres. The treatment plan calls for treating just 8 acres or 0.26% of the grass present. If you want more information about it, please contact Michael Homer with TPWD in Abilene. He is the district fisheries biologist. 325-692-0921. Sounds like a test run...what other purpose would spraying 0.26% serve? Hydrilla is the most heavily treated aquatic plant in the US, agencies know exactly how to apply the chemicals necessary to kill it or they hire experienced contractors to handle it. Why would they bother with a test run? If they wanted to nuke all of the vegetation, they'd just stock grass carp; they're far more cost effective than chemicals and will eat the hydrilla and coontail I've seen growing there in the past. A good lawyer could probably bring a lawsuit against them for the chemicals they are dumping in our lakes. No state agency would be stupid enough to use something that is not fully EPA approved and vetted. Ask the district biologist what chemical is being used, I'm sure they'll tell you. Then, you can look up the label for that product to see all of the application precautions and restrictions. If someone can prove they're not following the label instructions or using a chemical not approved for aquatic use, then they absolutely should be held accountable. I'm on the side of manage vegetation, not eliminate it, even if it's hydrilla. You should watch the videos of the unsupervised "professional" contractors on Toledo bend from when they literally sprayed everything from the buck brush, haygrass, everything on the shoreline in areas with no salvinia. I don't wanna hear about "these are professionals"
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: Outdoordude]
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07/01/22 03:01 PM
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I have seen the treatment proposal. In 2019 the total estimated hydrilla coverage was 3110 surface acres. The treatment plan calls for treating just 8 acres or 0.26% of the grass present. If you want more information about it, please contact Michael Homer with TPWD in Abilene. He is the district fisheries biologist. 325-692-0921. Sounds like a test run...what other purpose would spraying 0.26% serve? Hydrilla is the most heavily treated aquatic plant in the US, agencies know exactly how to apply the chemicals necessary to kill it or they hire experienced contractors to handle it. Why would they bother with a test run? If they wanted to nuke all of the vegetation, they'd just stock grass carp; they're far more cost effective than chemicals and will eat the hydrilla and coontail I've seen growing there in the past. A good lawyer could probably bring a lawsuit against them for the chemicals they are dumping in our lakes. No state agency would be stupid enough to use something that is not fully EPA approved and vetted. Ask the district biologist what chemical is being used, I'm sure they'll tell you. Then, you can look up the label for that product to see all of the application precautions and restrictions. If someone can prove they're not following the label instructions or using a chemical not approved for aquatic use, then they absolutely should be held accountable. I'm on the side of manage vegetation, not eliminate it, even if it's hydrilla. Scott, I agree with your post. But, the TFF is often about emotional responses without understanding the big picture. Uneducated responses are what fuel the dog pile mentality. Our Texas lakes are made to be water sources to irrigate and provide drinking water. Fishing and boating are a by product. So, those who think that TPWD are a bunch of idiots and always out to get the fisherman...need to understand the big picture.
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Re: Spraying grass
[Re: 9094]
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07/01/22 04:49 PM
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Water source is correct. So why in the world would we allow the spraying of chemicals into those water supplies? That makes even less sense than just spraying for grass. We are way past the time of needing to shut down spraying.
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