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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)] #14299069 02/27/22 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
I may have mentioned this already but one of my bass fishing publications I get just ran a story on the life of a lithium battery and one of the things that was mentioned was they had info from a guy that had taken his boat out and ran the trolling motor on high to see how long it would take for the lithium battery or batteries to give up. He clocked 13.5 hours and HE gave up, not the batteries. It didn't say what brand or what size, but I believe if you are making your living or are a serious tournament angler where you are spending multiple days on the water a week, lithium's would be well worth the investment based on all the info out there.




There’s too many options available to know any specifics on a story like that. Some pros are running 2-36v lithium’s parallel, some are running 3-12v. I think it would be just about impossible to kill 3-125ah lithium’s in 2 full days. I’ve heard of guys killing 50’s in a day, haven’t heard of anyone killing 100’s in a day.

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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: tmd11111] #14299074 02/27/22 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tmd11111
The Echomap Ultra 122sv typical current draw is 3a and max is 3.3. Livescope draws about 2a. So about 11a draw and you're claiming a 50a battery lasts all day. Have to throw the BS flag on that one.

You want to discuss something with Jason and help our group learn, please do. What you are doing is calling a guide who has been on this forum 20 years and always been helpful, a liar. I would call that BS.


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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: Jason Hoffman -- Lake Fork Guide] #14299076 02/27/22 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason Hoffman -- Lake Fork Guide
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The Echomap Ultra 122sv typical current draw is 3a and max is 3.3. Livescope draws about 2a. So about 11a draw and you're claiming a 50a battery lasts all day. Have to throw the BS flag on that one.


You can call BS all you want, but I have no reason to lie. I'm not sponsored by any battery company, and even then, I wouldn't make a claim that is false. My reputation is too important to me. Maybe you're confused on your amp draw, but my boat is my office, and I'm in it 200+ days per year. I know what my equipment is doing everyday.

Edit: In thinking about it a little more.....the only way I could be wrong is if it isn't wired the way it was supposed to be wired. All three units are supposed to be coming off of that one battery (dedicated electronics battery). I suppose it's possible that someone could have made a mistake when wiring it up, and they aren't all pulling off that battery like they're supposed to. I don't believe that to be the case, but I won't say it's impossible.


I'd say you're on to something about all the graphs not being wired to that battery. Math don't add up otherwise. A single 12" with livescope would make it all day but not 3 12's.

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Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
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The Echomap Ultra 122sv typical current draw is 3a and max is 3.3. Livescope draws about 2a. So about 11a draw and you're claiming a 50a battery lasts all day. Have to throw the BS flag on that one.

You want to discuss something with Jason and help our group learn, please do. What you are doing is calling a guide who has been on this forum 20 years and always been helpful, a liar. I would call that BS.


Not calling him a liar at all, but with his setup the math doesn't add up. Now he even says they may not all be wired to that battery which is a very high probability.

Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: tmd11111] #14299087 02/27/22 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tmd11111
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The Echomap Ultra 122sv typical current draw is 3a and max is 3.3. Livescope draws about 2a. So about 11a draw and you're claiming a 50a battery lasts all day. Have to throw the BS flag on that one.

You want to discuss something with Jason and help our group learn, please do. What you are doing is calling a guide who has been on this forum 20 years and always been helpful, a liar. I would call that BS.


Not calling him a liar at all, but with his setup the math doesn't add up. Now he even says they may not all be wired to that battery which is a very high probability.

You need to work on your wording.


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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: J.P. Greeson] #14299094 02/27/22 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
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The Echomap Ultra 122sv typical current draw is 3a and max is 3.3. Livescope draws about 2a. So about 11a draw and you're claiming a 50a battery lasts all day. Have to throw the BS flag on that one.

You want to discuss something with Jason and help our group learn, please do. What you are doing is calling a guide who has been on this forum 20 years and always been helpful, a liar. I would call that BS.


Not calling him a liar at all, but with his setup the math doesn't add up. Now he even says they may not all be wired to that battery which is a very high probability.

You need to work on your wording.


And some people need to learn math and electronic skills.

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Originally Posted by tmd11111
And some people need to learn math and electronic skills.

And you need to learn to show your fellow members some courtesy.


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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: grout-scout] #14299101 02/27/22 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
I may have mentioned this already but one of my bass fishing publications I get just ran a story on the life of a lithium battery and one of the things that was mentioned was they had info from a guy that had taken his boat out and ran the trolling motor on high to see how long it would take for the lithium battery or batteries to give up. He clocked 13.5 hours and HE gave up, not the batteries. It didn't say what brand or what size, but I believe if you are making your living or are a serious tournament angler where you are spending multiple days on the water a week, lithium's would be well worth the investment based on all the info out there.




There’s too many options available to know any specifics on a story like that. Some pros are running 2-36v lithium’s parallel, some are running 3-12v. I think it would be just about impossible to kill 3-125ah lithium’s in 2 full days. I’ve heard of guys killing 50’s in a day, haven’t heard of anyone killing 100’s in a day.

That would be some good info to know, at some point I'd like to go lithium but don't have the knowledge of exactly what it is I need to put in my boat to get this kind of performance.


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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)] #14299209 02/27/22 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ogles824 (aka Lakewaydr50)
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I may have mentioned this already but one of my bass fishing publications I get just ran a story on the life of a lithium battery and one of the things that was mentioned was they had info from a guy that had taken his boat out and ran the trolling motor on high to see how long it would take for the lithium battery or batteries to give up. He clocked 13.5 hours and HE gave up, not the batteries. It didn't say what brand or what size, but I believe if you are making your living or are a serious tournament angler where you are spending multiple days on the water a week, lithium's would be well worth the investment based on all the info out there.




There’s too many options available to know any specifics on a story like that. Some pros are running 2-36v lithium’s parallel, some are running 3-12v. I think it would be just about impossible to kill 3-125ah lithium’s in 2 full days. I’ve heard of guys killing 50’s in a day, haven’t heard of anyone killing 100’s in a day.

That would be some good info to know, at some point I'd like to go lithium but don't have the knowledge of exactly what it is I need to put in my boat to get this kind of performance.




When you think you are ready, it would be best to contact a lithium seller and they can help you decide what’s best for your situation. Different batteries require different chargers and it can get $$$ quickly.

Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: backatit] #14299412 02/27/22 08:39 PM
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Only asking because I am unsure and after reading some of the above discrepancies I was even more confused.

Are lithium batteries not like conventional batteries in that you have a battery that has x reserve capacity and it regulates discharge rate (as in 50 AH, 100AH, 125AH) if so that may explain why one brand 50AH battery may last all day and others will not due to reserve capacity.


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Originally Posted by Capt. Bryan
Only asking because I am unsure and after reading some of the above discrepancies I was even more confused.

Are lithium batteries not like conventional batteries in that you have a battery that has x reserve capacity and it regulates discharge rate (as in 50 AH, 100AH, 125AH) if so that may explain why one brand 50AH battery may last all day and others will not due to reserve capacity.

With what little studying I've done so far; I've found out there are three types and that may play into why some that appear on the surface to be equal may have different life spans under load. That will just take more digging to really sort that issue.


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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: Capt. Bryan] #14299634 02/28/22 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Bryan
Only asking because I am unsure and after reading some of the above discrepancies I was even more confused.

Are lithium batteries not like conventional batteries in that you have a battery that has x reserve capacity and it regulates discharge rate (as in 50 AH, 100AH, 125AH) if so that may explain why one brand 50AH battery may last all day and others will not due to reserve capacity.




They are supposed to be rated for the number of hours that they will last, there is some discrepancy between brands. I’ve read quite a few post about the Amp brand lasting longer than they are supposed too. Some brands, such as Ionics, have a BT app and you can see how much your charger is putting out and how much drain your graphs are pulling. Pretty cool feature to have.

They don’t have cca ratings like lead acid, although some put it on the label, but it’s not a true number and they don’t have reserve capacity. When a lithium gets down to approximately 10% of capacity (this number might vary by brand), the BMS typically turns off the battery to keep from being damaged.


Then you can get into some batteries that have 16v’s, the graphs tend to use less amps with the higher voltage. But if you have Lowrance graphs, they want a voltage regulator installed if you have 16v batteries. I don’t see the point in them (16v battery), but some do.

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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: backatit] #14300118 02/28/22 02:51 PM
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Be aware that 16v batteries require special chargers and recommended special wiring and should not be used on starting batteries. Just from what little i read.

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Re: Regular Batteries to Lithium Cost?? [Re: Dan21XRS] #14300567 02/28/22 08:27 PM
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Dan, how is the Noco charger doing for you? I am considering the 10x3 charger and would appreciate hands on experience opinion of this charger.

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Noco replied to me today and said my gen 4 4 bank is not lithium compatible- I think for now I am going to go with an x2 and revisit the lithium’s in a few seasons.

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