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I'm new here, so sorry if I don't get the hate for the SAL program. But I wish they would do something like that here in OK. I'm not even sure what lakes were ever stocked with FLMB, but I would like the opportunity to catch a 13lber in my life. I know growing conditions aren't the same, but I would sure enjoy the genetics being there. Odds that I ever catch a DD aren't real good.

Josh you seem rather knowledgeable. But, you also seem to come off as a "victim" a lot.

Not a personal attack, just an observation.


I will bet you are not from the south originally.

Doug there's a handful of folks who ruin the forum for me. Constant personal attacks. It just gets old. It's not just a TFF problem but a social media problem in general. Tons of negativity, and some folks make it a full time job. I'm all for debate, but add value. In between his name calling Grout has at least posed some fair challenges. I've been guilty of negativity in the past for sure as well, but I've been trying to stay more positive. The internet has changed people for the worse in a huge way. None of these guys would say this stuff to my face in real life, not because they aren't brave enough or whatever, but because I'm a nice guy and their a nice people and we'd all have way more in common than differences so we'd get along just fine.

I'm no victim, I'll be just fine... I'm just calling out poor behavior hoping folks might be more constructive.

Indiana boy, working on my 6th year in Texas. Glad to be here, love the state, love the fishery, and don't worry I'm not voting blue.

I do not care who you vote for, that is your business. I just notice people from the south seem to have a little more grit that those from other places.

Just try and remember,

Josh, to be honest, you seem to think that you’re way is always the right way and that there is where the problem lies with many. If someone disagrees with you, they are wrong and you are correct. Now, I understand many here are like that, but many of us just really don’t know and will admit it. But I’m sticking with my “if the program works, they would be advertising the heck out of the results”. Just like the few times they have proven that a fish is a SAL offspring, they tell the world.

I’m with Dougie, spend the money on the F1’s and maybe add a baitfish program for lakes that have no baitfish. I just think there are better places to spend the time & money. I’m still not sure if Toyota pays 100% of the program or just part though.

I've changed my mind plenty of times on here. Some would call that flip flopping. When I see data that tells a different story I change my stance if it better explains observation. But yes, I tend to have a lot of strong opinions. I do agree they could do a better job advertising what they do. I gave them that direct feedback today. They said they were working on it. I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion, just prefer civil debate about it.

Basically in a nutshell, a few years back they changed leadership and many of the fish died and proceeded to blame the anglers for improper handling, they didn’t take any of the blame. They have gotten better on fish loss, but many believe that the fish should stay in their home lake vs being transported across the state (location of fish dependent obviously). Some of the fish will spawn and some won’t, some of us think they have a better chance of spawning at their home lake, some disagree.

But in the end, the SAL program really has nothing to do with regular Florida strain stocking. Two different programs, the SAL program was touted as being able to produce the next world record.

Thank you! That makes a lot of sense to me.

If your new I guess you weren't around that year a few ago they killed like every SAL

That was a rough year for the program, lol. I think there was ZERO (maybe 1) fish donated the next year.

Disclaimer : this is not a troll post


Or they (TPW) could recognize that good ol native bass are also very desirable to many many anglers as well. No one doesn’t want to catch a big fish but we all like to catch fish. Florida bass are finicky, lazy, and no where near as aggressive. There is no reason to completely ignore native stocking programs.

You people literally have endless pages of arguments over a max of 23 bass a year (usually way less than that). Think how stupid that is.

Don’t forget all they have killed that never got to spawn at all.

Stretching it there arent ya! What about the 10+ years these fish spawned out in the lake already?