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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
[Re: John175☮]
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08/20/21 06:16 PM
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This is a simple ethics equation. When demand exceeds supply you assign resources to accomplish the greatest net good. Vaccines increase your chances of survival, thus all other things laid equal, you would chose to provide care to the vaccinated individual over the unvaccinated should you be forced to make the choice.
I actually read the article and the rules they laid out make perfect sense:
1. “COVID-19 vaccination decreases severe infection and death. Vaccine status therefore may be considered when making triage decisions as part of the physician’s assessment of each individual’s likelihood of survival.”
2. “When vaccination status is considered, accommodations may be needed when the reason for non-vaccination is beyond the patient’s control such as but not limited to caretaker refusal to have a disabled dependent vaccinated, recent COVID-19 infection, or medical contraindication.”
3. “Many are understandably angry and frustrated with the unvaccinated, but triage must remain grounded upon likelihood of survival. Health care professionals should continue to honor duties of care and compassion.”
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
[Re: Emit R Detsaw]
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08/20/21 06:19 PM
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It already is. Our local hospital didn't have any beds or staff for one that came into the ER today. After a couple hours, that person passed away. That was a first for our hospital.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
[Re: Jpurdue]
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08/20/21 06:20 PM
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This is a simple ethics equation. When demand exceeds supply you assign resources to accomplish the greatest net good. Vaccines increase your chances of survival, thus all other things laid equal, you would chose to provide care to the vaccinated individual over the unvaccinated should you be forced to make the choice.
I actually read the article and the rules they laid out make perfect sense:
1. “COVID-19 vaccination decreases severe infection and death. Vaccine status therefore may be considered when making triage decisions as part of the physician’s assessment of each individual’s likelihood of survival.”
2. “When vaccination status is considered, accommodations may be needed when the reason for non-vaccination is beyond the patient’s control such as but not limited to caretaker refusal to have a disabled dependent vaccinated, recent COVID-19 infection, or medical contraindication.”
3. “Many are understandably angry and frustrated with the unvaccinated, but triage must remain grounded upon likelihood of survival. Health care professionals should continue to honor duties of care and compassion.” Can't disagree with that. To even consider the vaccination status is unconscionable and from the current statistics on who are not getting the shots quite racist.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:21 PM
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It already is. Our local hospital didn't have any beds or staff for one that came into the ER today. After a couple hours, that person passed away. That was a first for our hospital.
Emit does have the most timely stories. All liberals do, it's a lyin thang.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:23 PM
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I don't watch much news but is the USA the only country having problems with the delta right now?
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:23 PM
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This is a simple ethics equation. When demand exceeds supply you assign resources to accomplish the greatest net good. Vaccines increase your chances of survival, thus all other things laid equal, you would chose to provide care to the vaccinated individual over the unvaccinated should you be forced to make the choice.
I actually read the article and the rules they laid out make perfect sense:
1. “COVID-19 vaccination decreases severe infection and death. Vaccine status therefore may be considered when making triage decisions as part of the physician’s assessment of each individual’s likelihood of survival.”
2. “When vaccination status is considered, accommodations may be needed when the reason for non-vaccination is beyond the patient’s control such as but not limited to caretaker refusal to have a disabled dependent vaccinated, recent COVID-19 infection, or medical contraindication.”
3. “Many are understandably angry and frustrated with the unvaccinated, but triage must remain grounded upon likelihood of survival. Health care professionals should continue to honor duties of care and compassion.” Good summary. If any hospital made a decision to not treat someone on vaccination status and not the overall medical prognosis they would find themselves investigated by CMS and most likely lose all government funding which would mean out of business.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:32 PM
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y'all better go get yer jab
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:35 PM
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Last time I checked 37.5 million in the USA have had COVID and have little need for the jab. If they get sick we treat the survivors differently than the regime compliant?
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:43 PM
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I don't watch much news but is the USA the only country having problems with the delta right now? No England started going up their Delta curve in Late May/early June. They were hopeful it would just be a four month spike as it was in Other countries; but it looks like they never came off the spike and are headed in the wrong direction again.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:45 PM
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I also don't understand how the ER's and Hospitals can be so over loaded with Covid patients. With 70% of adults having received at least 1 shot, 57% of the total population receiving at least 1 shot and 49% fully vaccinated whey are so many people still getting sick enough to have to be in ICU? Either someone is lying about how many people are vaccinated or the vaccines don't work very well. How can you have more sick folks with so many of them vaccinated now than during the BIG run up of numbers early on with no one having received the shot. Also you have to figure in the recovered population into the mix.
Let's take the DFW metroplex and surrounding area as an example (60% vaccinated): 40% of five million people is two million people. DFW has about 800 ICU beds I know there are still lots of unvaccinated people. But how is it so much worse at the hospitals now, with three million people taken out of the pool.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:47 PM
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The Delta variant has a higher chance of causing illness in younger/healthier people relative to the original strain.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:48 PM
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Last time I checked 37.5 million in the USA have had COVID and have little need for the jab. If they get sick we treat the survivors differently than the regime compliant? Yep, they have ZERO interest in straying from the singularly focused one size fits all narrative - vax everybody early and often. There is zero interest in understanding the existence and impact for those with natural immunity who may (or may not) have better protection than the vaxed.
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:52 PM
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Last time I checked 37.5 million in the USA have had COVID and have little need for the jab. If they get sick we treat the survivors differently than the regime compliant? That's not what the article says. That's actually called out in number 2. A previous infection would be relevant information in determining survival odds. How would you propose the doctors choose who gets care when demand exceeds medical supply?
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:53 PM
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I wonder if all the sugars, preservatives and cigarettes consumed prior to the virus has anything to do with the death rates?
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Re: Unvaccinated can die in the hallways
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08/20/21 06:57 PM
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I wonder if all the sugars, preservatives and cigarettes consumed prior to the virus has anything to do with the death rates? yeah the 88 year old fatty that got the jab is gonna get a bed before a 45 year old person in decent shape. makes perfect sense
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