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Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: BThomas] #14035965 06/18/21 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BThomas
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I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor

Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!!


https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/tourneys_148970/


Excerpt from the link:

I fished with a couple of pros this year and they didn’t talk specifics but they said what he was doing was catching fish out of a box. This may not have technically been illegal because he was indeed catching fish. I guess it might be a loophole. It does in my mind violate the sportsmanship rule.

I was also told that there were lots of lawsuits proposed against FLW for winning that fishermen were cheated out of and this prevented FLW from announcing anything. It appears they are more scared of being sued than being fair.

I admit this is hearsay but it was told exactly the same way to my by at least 6 people who should be “in the know.”

I’m more upset by FLW’s handling of it than the act. ABA or BASS would have announced it as would any other sports organization. I can assure you if this happend in my circuit everyone would know what happend. I don’t tolerate cheating.


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This is what I “heard” about the box in question.

It was large enough to hold some decent fish. The lid was constructed in a manner that would allow a small gap for a bait to fall through. Once a lot of upward force was applied the fish could be pulled through the top. Maybe the top was made out of some thick semi-flexible rubber or something of that nature.

Not 100% clear on the exact construction but I have a basic understanding of how it “supposedly” worked.



Well somebody had to put the fish in the box, correct? lol


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Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: Douglas J] #14035967 06/18/21 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Douglas J
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Originally Posted by bladerunner
I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor

Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!!



And you are who? Did you fish professionally?

Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: Neal G] #14035968 06/18/21 12:46 PM
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HDVS is legit, no need to worry about that

Thanks Neal! Still need to get together sometime

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: Fishinfellow] #14035999 06/18/21 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Fishinfellow
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Originally Posted by HDVS
Originally Posted by bladerunner
I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor

Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!!


https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/tourneys_148970/


Excerpt from the link:

I fished with a couple of pros this year and they didn’t talk specifics but they said what he was doing was catching fish out of a box. This may not have technically been illegal because he was indeed catching fish. I guess it might be a loophole. It does in my mind violate the sportsmanship rule.

I was also told that there were lots of lawsuits proposed against FLW for winning that fishermen were cheated out of and this prevented FLW from announcing anything. It appears they are more scared of being sued than being fair.

I admit this is hearsay but it was told exactly the same way to my by at least 6 people who should be “in the know.”

I’m more upset by FLW’s handling of it than the act. ABA or BASS would have announced it as would any other sports organization. I can assure you if this happend in my circuit everyone would know what happend. I don’t tolerate cheating.


Another Excerpt:

This is what I “heard” about the box in question.

It was large enough to hold some decent fish. The lid was constructed in a manner that would allow a small gap for a bait to fall through. Once a lot of upward force was applied the fish could be pulled through the top. Maybe the top was made out of some thick semi-flexible rubber or something of that nature.

Not 100% clear on the exact construction but I have a basic understanding of how it “supposedly” worked.



Well somebody had to put the fish in the box, correct? lol

That woulda been his brother who was an ex military diver!

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: SC-001] #14036014 06/18/21 01:22 PM
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keep in mind those polygraphs stop about 99% of the cheating in buddy or solo tournys.....FLW should have asked T.C. to take a polygraph (or maybe they did and he refused)....

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: beartrap] #14036030 06/18/21 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HDVS

That woulda been his brother who was an ex military diver!

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keep in mind those polygraphs stop about 99% of the cheating in buddy or solo tournys.....FLW should have asked T.C. to take a polygraph (or maybe they did and he refused)....

Its the 1% like Robby Rose you have to worry about, I don't trust poly's

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Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: HDVS] #14036059 06/18/21 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by HDVS
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Originally Posted by bladerunner
I heard he had plastic tubs planted with fish in them. cut a hole in the top with slits around it. Flip jig in, fish bite and due to the slits was able to pull them out. Just rumor

Pretty warm right there! But there is alot more to it and the whole situation. I can't say details bc I am to close to the people who set it all up and busted the cheating piece of [censored]! Trust me it's not a rumor!!



And you are who? Did you fish professionally?

Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.

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Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: SC-001] #14036060 06/18/21 01:51 PM
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the hard truth is when a poly catches a cheater the tournament directors sometimes dont have the stones for the dq because of the light it will shed on the trail . then the cheater gets away with it to do it again.

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: SC-001] #14036067 06/18/21 01:52 PM
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A polygraph wasn't needed!! Trust me they had all goods on him. They got him outa town as fast as possible bc of the backlash that was coming from anglers. It was not going to be pretty! His boat was already damaged pretty bad by the time he got out of Morgan City!

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: SC-001] #14036131 06/18/21 02:29 PM
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Ain't tournament fishing grand???... Dan bang


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Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: Dan21XRS] #14036166 06/18/21 02:54 PM
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Ain't tournament fishing grand???... Dan bang

Anything that involves money will bring out bad people!! Just the way things are. To me it's the greatest sport in the world and I will NEVER let a few losers change my opinion of that! I just believe that the ones who do cheat should always be remembered and never forgotten.

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: Tiltman] #14036193 06/18/21 03:15 PM
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Question....and just asking, dont tear my head off cuz I know these guys who might be inferred are hammers....do you ever find it suspicious when a local completely dominates on his home lake in a bigger/national tournament?

No, what I find suspicious are local "hammers" that bring in insane bags of fish at the toughest time of year and that can't seem compete regionally or nationally.


anytime I see a giant tourney bag I wonder a bit. But...i think locals plant their own secret brush too. I feel its an unfair advantage from an outsiders perspective, but I dont think its cheating. But...you also hear rumors about baiting those brush piles too...so I dont know, slippery slope. Agree about the consistency though....you dont have to win every tourney, but even if you look at all the opens last year....the good guys seem to float around the top. so its a bit sketchy in those situations you mentioned.

theres always cheaters when money is involved


Not at all tearing your head off but I gotta say you have a bit of an unhealthy view of competitive fishing.

I have lived in Wylie since 1999 , I have fished both Lavon and Ray Hubb mostly for all those years , recently on Lavon there has been some awesome bags weighed in on weekly tournaments 8-10 lbs more that what I used to consider a pretty darn good bag in the past.

I can’t even tell you any names of the current group of competitors but I can tell you the thought that they are cheating is no where in my head.

Also I can add that there are “good” fishermen which most of us on here are and then there are “great” fishermen that are simply on a different level talent-wise which seems to come naturally when you fish with one of them.

Guys like TC , ML,or RR were probably in the “good” but couldn’t stand not being in the “great” so they squared away in their head what scum bags they were/are and somehow in their mind elevated themselves to “great”






I also think that cheaters think that way. A good fisherman that isn’t great can’t grasp that they aren’t the best everyday so they think it can’t be that they got beat….. the other guys must be cheating so I’ll cheat better.

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Originally Posted by HDVS

Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.




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Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: grout-scout] #14036506 06/18/21 07:08 PM
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Yes I did! Had to walk away to raise my kids bc my ex went off the deep end. Back to fishing now and doing pretty well. Just not full time anymore for now. That's why I don't like throwing names around on a public form. Other than a Cheater! lol.




BV?

What's BV? But not my initials

Re: Cheater Tony Christian [Re: SC-001] #14036614 06/18/21 08:59 PM
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M Delgado was a wack job for sure

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