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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/03/21 02:44 PM
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Looking good Der. That's going to fill in nicely this year.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/03/21 06:55 PM
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How can I get rid of Oxalis, wood sorrel, in my Bermuda? The commercial stuff from Ortho says not to use on Bermuda.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/03/21 07:09 PM
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Going on year two at this house and im bound and determined to get the front yard nice, but dont have a clue about what i need.
Mostly bremuda, but do have about a 10' area of St Augustine. And still have freaking crab grass that wont go away. Iv'e hit it with MSMA (the good stuff, not the stuff they sell now) and just about all the store bought stuff you can try.
House was built in the early 50's so i dont know the history of anything planted.
Also going to kill off 4 crepe mrytles. Ive cut them back and sprayed them but the damn things keep coming back.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Fish Killer]
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05/03/21 07:41 PM
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Sawhorse
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Going on year two at this house and im bound and determined to get the front yard nice, but dont have a clue about what i need.
Mostly bremuda, but do have about a 10' area of St Augustine. And still have freaking crab grass that wont go away. Iv'e hit it with MSMA (the good stuff, not the stuff they sell now) and just about all the store bought stuff you can try.
House was built in the early 50's so i dont know the history of anything planted.
Also going to kill off 4 crepe mrytles. Ive cut them back and sprayed them but the damn things keep coming back. Right now would be a good time to yank them, if youโre so inclined. Soil is still relatively soft/moist so you can get them at the root. Pre-emergent regimen to help prevent can knock em back or out. Other than that, Iโd listen to Derek, following his advice has greatly helped my yard. Best of luck!
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: presley]
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05/03/21 08:27 PM
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How can I get rid of Oxalis, wood sorrel, in my Bermuda? The commercial stuff from Ortho says not to use on Bermuda. What's your application methods. Spot, backpack, hose end?
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Fish Killer]
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05/03/21 08:48 PM
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Going on year two at this house and im bound and determined to get the front yard nice, but dont have a clue about what i need.
Mostly bremuda, but do have about a 10' area of St Augustine. And still have freaking crab grass that wont go away. Iv'e hit it with MSMA (the good stuff, not the stuff they sell now) and just about all the store bought stuff you can try.
House was built in the early 50's so i dont know the history of anything planted.
Also going to kill off 4 crepe mrytles. Ive cut them back and sprayed them but the damn things keep coming back. What you're most likely seeing is Rescuegrass and not Crab. I'm seeing tons of Rescue that is going to seed now and can easily be confused as Crab. Rescue will be dying off soon. Crab and Dallis are just now getting cranking. Without a soil test I would go with a balanced fertilizer. I'm willing to bet your Soil Ph is over 7. So your best Nitrogen source to go with is Ammonium Sulfate. I would go with something like 13-13-13 at a rate of 3.5lbs per 1000sq feet every month. A few brands you can look for at the Feed/Farm stores. American Plant Food Corp, Lone Star Feed. Russel Feed private labels a 15-5-10 that you can roll with. All those are Ammonium Sulfate based nitrogen ferts. Urea is a popular Nitro source and some stores might try to push it on you. Stick with Ammonium based. It's typically not that hard to find. It's May so I wouldn't bother spending money on Pre Emergents now. I'd focus on pushing growth this year and post emergent weeds are pretty easy (except rescuegrass lol). Wait and get into pre emergent in August.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/03/21 10:49 PM
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presley
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How can I get rid of Oxalis, wood sorrel, in my Bermuda? The commercial stuff from Ortho says not to use on Bermuda. What's your application methods. Spot, backpack, hose end? I tried Image hose end and thought I had killed the yard but the Bermuda and oxalis came back strong. Tried spot and the Oxalis turns brown but doesnโt die out. The Bermuda is very healthy but so is the weed.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: presley]
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05/04/21 01:36 AM
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How can I get rid of Oxalis, wood sorrel, in my Bermuda? The commercial stuff from Ortho says not to use on Bermuda. What's your application methods. Spot, backpack, hose end? I tried Image hose end and thought I had killed the yard but the Bermuda and oxalis came back strong. Tried spot and the Oxalis turns brown but doesnโt die out. The Bermuda is very healthy but so is the weed. Lol. You haven't lived DIY turf until you've almost killed the lawn, specifically Bermuda. What image product did you use, not all are the same.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/04/21 02:22 AM
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Going on year two at this house and im bound and determined to get the front yard nice, but dont have a clue about what i need.
Mostly bremuda, but do have about a 10' area of St Augustine. And still have freaking crab grass that wont go away. Iv'e hit it with MSMA (the good stuff, not the stuff they sell now) and just about all the store bought stuff you can try.
House was built in the early 50's so i dont know the history of anything planted.
Also going to kill off 4 crepe mrytles. Ive cut them back and sprayed them but the damn things keep coming back. It's May so I wouldn't bother spending money on Pre Emergents now. I'd focus on pushing growth this year and post emergent weeds are pretty easy (except rescuegrass lol). Wait and get into pre emergent in August. My pre-emergent comments in the above post were about future prevention. To be clear, Iโm good with mid-May application at my casa, yes?
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/04/21 12:12 PM
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Going on year two at this house and im bound and determined to get the front yard nice, but dont have a clue about what i need.
Mostly bremuda, but do have about a 10' area of St Augustine. And still have freaking crab grass that wont go away. Iv'e hit it with MSMA (the good stuff, not the stuff they sell now) and just about all the store bought stuff you can try.
House was built in the early 50's so i dont know the history of anything planted.
Also going to kill off 4 crepe mrytles. Ive cut them back and sprayed them but the damn things keep coming back. What you're most likely seeing is Rescuegrass and not Crab. I'm seeing tons of Rescue that is going to seed now and can easily be confused as Crab. Rescue will be dying off soon. Crab and Dallis are just now getting cranking. Without a soil test I would go with a balanced fertilizer. I'm willing to bet your Soil Ph is over 7. So your best Nitrogen source to go with is Ammonium Sulfate. I would go with something like 13-13-13 at a rate of 3.5lbs per 1000sq feet every month. A few brands you can look for at the Feed/Farm stores. American Plant Food Corp, Lone Star Feed. Russel Feed private labels a 15-5-10 that you can roll with. All those are Ammonium Sulfate based nitrogen ferts. Urea is a popular Nitro source and some stores might try to push it on you. Stick with Ammonium based. It's typically not that hard to find. It's May so I wouldn't bother spending money on Pre Emergents now. I'd focus on pushing growth this year and post emergent weeds are pretty easy (except rescuegrass lol). Wait and get into pre emergent in August. So what's good to get rid of Rescuegrass?
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: RonH]
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05/04/21 01:29 PM
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Derek ๐
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Going on year two at this house and im bound and determined to get the front yard nice, but dont have a clue about what i need.
Mostly bremuda, but do have about a 10' area of St Augustine. And still have freaking crab grass that wont go away. Iv'e hit it with MSMA (the good stuff, not the stuff they sell now) and just about all the store bought stuff you can try.
House was built in the early 50's so i dont know the history of anything planted.
Also going to kill off 4 crepe mrytles. Ive cut them back and sprayed them but the damn things keep coming back. What you're most likely seeing is Rescuegrass and not Crab. I'm seeing tons of Rescue that is going to seed now and can easily be confused as Crab. Rescue will be dying off soon. Crab and Dallis are just now getting cranking. Without a soil test I would go with a balanced fertilizer. I'm willing to bet your Soil Ph is over 7. So your best Nitrogen source to go with is Ammonium Sulfate. I would go with something like 13-13-13 at a rate of 3.5lbs per 1000sq feet every month. A few brands you can look for at the Feed/Farm stores. American Plant Food Corp, Lone Star Feed. Russel Feed private labels a 15-5-10 that you can roll with. All those are Ammonium Sulfate based nitrogen ferts. Urea is a popular Nitro source and some stores might try to push it on you. Stick with Ammonium based. It's typically not that hard to find. It's May so I wouldn't bother spending money on Pre Emergents now. I'd focus on pushing growth this year and post emergent weeds are pretty easy (except rescuegrass lol). Wait and get into pre emergent in August. So what's good to get rid of Rescuegrass? Simazine with methylated seed oil as the surfactant. Getting in that warm window where MSO(methylated seed oil) is too hot to use. Back in Feb/March when rescue was all over the place and the temps were cooler was a perfect time. It will be dying off soon as it's a winter grass/weed. Simazine is also a great pre-emergent to apply in the fall for poa and many other weeds.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Sawhorse]
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05/04/21 01:33 PM
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Derek ๐
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My pre-emergent comments in the above post were about future prevention.
To be clear, Iโm good with mid-May application at my casa, yes? Depends on what you're using. If you're using Dithiopyr I would look at the label and see what the year max rate per 1000sq feet is. Divide that by 3 or 4 and split your apps up. If you divide it by 4 your app rate months would be - Feb, May, Aug, Nov. I use Prodiamine which has a longer soil residual and I get very good results doing 2ea 6 month app rates in August and Feb.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/04/21 01:48 PM
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Here is an example of pre emergent working. Neighbors grass is chalk full of poa, broadleaf's, crab coming up and Dallis. Dallis is a perennial so the original mound will return even with pre emergents. But pre's will prevent the seeds from germinating new ones. Besides a couple spot sprayings, I have not had to apply a blanket app of herbicide this year.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
[Re: Derek ๐]
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05/04/21 02:44 PM
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Here is an example of why you always read the label of whatever you're applying. Specially herbicides. Other neighbor grabbed weed and grass killer instead of just weed killer. Did a blanket spray of his whole yard and smoked his bermuda. It will bounce back, but will take awhile. And this was a simple off the shelf box store product.
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Re: TFF Lawn Care Thread
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05/04/21 02:57 PM
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cocodrie
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Dang... That's terrible...
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