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 Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 04:51 PM
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I would not feel comfortable giving my address to the individual from whom I am buying a gun. A bill of sale is certainly in order, but no identifying information beyond my name. In no way would I ever show my DL or give my DL number. To a store sure, but never to an individual.
As a general rule, if you purchase stolen property you are screwed if it is identified and returned to the rightful owner. But the only way that happens to guns is if they are used to commit a crime. I can reasonably assume that by posting on a public forum you are not intending to commit a crime with this gun. Therefore I would predict the odds of this gun ever being identified as stolen property and confiscated are very very low. The only thing you are really protecting yourself from is your conscience.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 04:57 PM
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I've only sold one (bought new years ago) but seen the gent's CHL just in case.with a bill of sale.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: ReelBusy]
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01/12/21 05:26 PM
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Coincidentally I sold all my guns to some guy named Bob....Smith I think it was. I sold mine to Suq Madeek.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 05:34 PM
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I got a gun for my wife—best trade I’ve ever made. 
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 05:44 PM
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In the current state of things I wouldn't worry about it. Buy it and move on.
I bought a 10/22 in college I was 99.9% sure it was stolen, it ate me up, I was a nervous wreck if I ever had it and got pulled over they'd run the numbers and haul me off to jail, so I got rid of it. Now days, I'd buy 10 of them.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: UGLYSHCTICK]
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01/12/21 06:00 PM
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Coincidentally I sold all my guns to some guy named Bob....Smith I think it was. I sold mine to Suq Madeek. 
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: COFF]
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01/12/21 06:03 PM
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I would not feel comfortable giving my address to the individual from whom I am buying a gun. A bill of sale is certainly in order, but no identifying information beyond my name. In no way would I ever show my DL or give my DL number. To a store sure, but never to an individual.
As a general rule, if you purchase stolen property you are screwed if it is identified and returned to the rightful owner. But the only way that happens to guns is if they are used to commit a crime. I can reasonably assume that by posting on a public forum you are not intending to commit a crime with this gun. Therefore I would predict the odds of this gun ever being identified as stolen property and confiscated are very very low. The only thing you are really protecting yourself from is your conscience. I hear ya. 
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 06:04 PM
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If the buyer was really concerned about whether or not the firearm might be stolen, then I'd say the buyer & seller should meet at an FFL dealer and let them run the NICS/4473 dance. It'll cost a few bucks, and the buyer has evidence to show that s/he acquired it legally.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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01/12/21 06:07 PM
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If the buyer was really concerned about whether or not the firearm might be stolen, then I'd say the buyer & seller should meet at an FFL dealer and let them run the NICS/4473 dance. It'll cost a few bucks, and the buyer has evidence to show that s/he acquired it legally. Thanks!
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: kennerdude]
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01/12/21 08:41 PM
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The gun I was buying or trading for? I I would still take the ser number and give it to local law-enforcement to run it through the system. I Did this a few months ago on a revolver. They will not run it through the system just for kicks. You must live in a small town where they have nothing to do. If you think the dude selling you a gun is a crook don’t buy it. Yea, Actually they will run it for you. I live in Llano County I don’t know if that’s big or small but that’s where I live. I actually ran the serial number on that revolver in Gillespie County which is larger than Llano County. I was not the buyer, I was running it for somebody else. Then they are actually violating the law. Unless suspected of use in a crime they can get in trouble for running it. Every time they run something through a crime lab computer the seriel number or id number is noted. If they run a gun there that does not fit that criteria they are putting the info from a innocent person in the system. Like I said a small town LE center that doesn't know the law might but a big city or well informed PD will not.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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01/12/21 08:42 PM
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If the buyer was really concerned about whether or not the firearm might be stolen, then I'd say the buyer & seller should meet at an FFL dealer and let them run the NICS/4473 dance. It'll cost a few bucks, and the buyer has evidence to show that s/he acquired it legally. Correct Zeek
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 08:47 PM
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
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01/12/21 08:51 PM
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Then they are actually violating the law. Unless suspected of use in a crime they can get in trouble for running it. Every time they run something through a crime lab computer the seriel number or id number is noted. If they run a gun there that does not fit that criteria they are putting the info from a innocent person in the system.
Like I said a small town LE center that doesn't know the law might but a big city or well informed PD will not.
Gotcha and thanks for the explanation.
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
[Re: Bob Davis]
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01/12/21 10:01 PM
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Local PD here says they won't run a gun serial number unless it is used in a crime or related somehow to a crime or theft of some sort. They say that they can be subject to disciplinary action if they do. They also cannot just willy nilly run drivers License numbers either. Don't throw flaming bags of BS at me, I am just telling you what the officer told me on the phone. He did advise a bill of sale with minimum info he would get if he were buying or selling to an individual. I am probably the first goober to actually try to do the right thing or something. I've only bought new guns before. I can understand not running a driver’s license. Just asking that could (and probably) raise some red flags. But running a serial number off a firearm seems different. Plus, if it gets a hit, the hard part of their work is done for them (potentially finding a stolen gun and the person in possession of it). If they’re too busy to be running serial numbers off guns, I understand it as a policy. Yep. I hear ya DH. I didn't argue with him. I gave him my name and address. Maybe you could call them up for me. You have more stroke being a Moderator. 
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Re: Handgun swap best practices
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01/12/21 10:01 PM
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The gun I was buying or trading for? I I would still take the ser number and give it to local law-enforcement to run it through the system. I Did this a few months ago on a revolver. They will not run it through the system just for kicks. You must live in a small town where they have nothing to do. If you think the dude selling you a gun is a crook don’t buy it. Yea, Actually they will run it for you. I live in Llano County I don’t know if that’s big or small but that’s where I live. I actually ran the serial number on that revolver in Gillespie County which is larger than Llano County. I was not the buyer, I was running it for somebody else. Then they are actually violating the law. Unless suspected of use in a crime they can get in trouble for running it. Every time they run something through a crime lab computer the seriel number or id number is noted. If they run a gun there that does not fit that criteria they are putting the info from a innocent person in the system. Like I said a small town LE center that doesn't know the law might but a big city or well informed PD will not. Interesting. Kind of makes sense now that you say that.
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