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Re: Election 2020 [Re: J.P. Greeson] #13781793 11/23/20 02:03 PM
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we'll see a number of state legislatures follow the Constitutional rules and appoint their own electors, rather than giving in to the mob. The Founding Fathers designed the electoral rules as a check & balance against the popular vote (they were brilliant men after all).

But, I must admit that my hope is getting fainter and fainter.


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Re: Election 2020 [Re: J.P. Greeson] #13781849 11/23/20 02:39 PM
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...."state legislatures follow the Constitutional rules and appoint their own electors" ...it will never happen. We will still have divided government so gridlock will continue and the political tribalism will continue. Trump can stomp his feet like a child all he wants...the fact remains he lost. The whole fraud thing is over board nutso.....some minor counting mistakes might have been made but there was no nation wide fraud. There is no grand conspiracy....we can't get 50 states to agree on mask mandates and people think there was this vast voter fraud....not happening.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: Techfisher] #13781891 11/23/20 03:02 PM
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" political tribalism will continue. Trump can stomp his feet like a child all he wants...the fact remains he lost. The whole fraud thing is over board nutso.....some minor counting mistakes might have been made but there was no nation wide fraud. There is no grand conspiracy....we can't get 50 states to agree on mask mandates and people think there was this vast voter fraud....not happening."

Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: Zipster] #13781950 11/23/20 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Zipster


Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.



You tube isnt the place to get your news... I only google searched your first claim.

Video is manipulated, misleading

The viral video is genuine footage from a livestream of ballot counting. However, in some cases the video has been manipulated by zooming in to eliminate surrounding areas.

Adrienne Marofsky, public relations director for Delaware County, Pennsylvania, told USA TODAY that the video crops out bipartisan observers who were not more than 6 feet away.

"The cropped video portrays an election worker, seemingly alone at a table, marking a ballot. The actual video shows the election worker at a table with other coworkers in a room full of people with bipartisan observers a few feet away at each end of the table, closely observing the worker from approximately 6 feet away," Marofsky said in an email.

She said the arrangement was agreed upon between the Election Bureau and the former Republican chairman of Delaware County Council.
Election workers are not committing fraud

What counters in the video are actually doing is fixing damaged ballots.

Marofsky said that during ballot processing, a machine extractor opens the ballots. Some ballots were damaged by the extractor and unable to be scanned successfully, she said.

"According to the scanner manufacturer, Hart, the best practice to deal with damaged ballots that cannot be scanned is to transcribe the votes on each ballot to a clean ballot and scan the clean ballot," she said.

The chief clerk of the Delaware County Bureau of Elections then instructed elections staff to manually transcribe the damaged ballots.

The damaged ballots were directly next to the new ballots, and damaged ballots were preserved while bipartisan observers watched closely, according to Marofsky.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: Jeff From Iowa] #13781975 11/23/20 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Zipster


Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.



You tube isnt the place to get your news... I only google searched your first claim.

Video is manipulated, misleading

The viral video is genuine footage from a livestream of ballot counting. However, in some cases the video has been manipulated by zooming in to eliminate surrounding areas.

Adrienne Marofsky, public relations director for Delaware County, Pennsylvania, told USA TODAY that the video crops out bipartisan observers who were not more than 6 feet away.

"The cropped video portrays an election worker, seemingly alone at a table, marking a ballot. The actual video shows the election worker at a table with other coworkers in a room full of people with bipartisan observers a few feet away at each end of the table, closely observing the worker from approximately 6 feet away," Marofsky said in an email.

She said the arrangement was agreed upon between the Election Bureau and the former Republican chairman of Delaware County Council.
Election workers are not committing fraud

What counters in the video are actually doing is fixing damaged ballots.

Marofsky said that during ballot processing, a machine extractor opens the ballots. Some ballots were damaged by the extractor and unable to be scanned successfully, she said.

"According to the scanner manufacturer, Hart, the best practice to deal with damaged ballots that cannot be scanned is to transcribe the votes on each ballot to a clean ballot and scan the clean ballot," she said.

The chief clerk of the Delaware County Bureau of Elections then instructed elections staff to manually transcribe the damaged ballots.

The damaged ballots were directly next to the new ballots, and damaged ballots were preserved while bipartisan observers watched closely, according to Marofsky.


I didn't get it from Youtube. I saw it on Newsmax and I don't give a rats arse what Marofsky said. USA Today is a left wing rag that has spewd its bias for years. It's to the point you can't trust or believe anything you see or hear anymore. Everyone lies these days it seems.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: J.P. Greeson] #13781984 11/23/20 03:54 PM
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As long as Republicans hold the Senate, government will continue to be a Jerry Springer show of gridlock. They wont be able to pass any laws, and it will be as intended by the founders. Government if suppose to be gridlocked, and have opposing forces. If Dems get all 3, buckle up...

Re: Election 2020 [Re: DI] #13782003 11/23/20 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DI
As long as Republicans hold the Senate, government will continue to be a Jerry Springer show of gridlock. They wont be able to pass any laws, and it will be as intended by the founders. Government if suppose to be gridlocked, and have opposing forces. If Dems get all 3, buckle up...



Well, Georgia cheated. Think they won't do it again?


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Re: Election 2020 [Re: Zipster] #13782006 11/23/20 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Zipster
" political tribalism will continue. Trump can stomp his feet like a child all he wants...the fact remains he lost. The whole fraud thing is over board nutso.....some minor counting mistakes might have been made but there was no nation wide fraud. There is no grand conspiracy....we can't get 50 states to agree on mask mandates and people think there was this vast voter fraud....not happening."

Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.


You really do believe this don't you? It's ok, I support you and your belief.
I've learned to never say never but at some point common logical sense has to kick in (Votes in cars headed to Canada???). As mentioned before, This is the Election for the President of the United States of America. Some of the accusations would make you believe were voting for the Mayor of Hooterville. What was that guys name? Fred Drucker or something like that. Never trusted that guy.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: DI] #13782010 11/23/20 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DI
As long as Republicans hold the Senate, government will continue to be a Jerry Springer show of gridlock. They wont be able to pass any laws, and it will be as intended by the founders. Government if suppose to be gridlocked, and have opposing forces. If Dems get all 3, buckle up...


Actually, the founders did not intend for there to be gridlock, they intended that the Government, in it's small role, would work for all Americans. Over the decades that role has been expanded. Can the genie ever be put back in the bottle? Probably not, but our Government is supposed to represent the People of the USA, not some Party or some "leader".


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Re: Election 2020 [Re: Zipster] #13782012 11/23/20 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Zipster


Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.



You tube isnt the place to get your news... I only google searched your first claim.

Video is manipulated, misleading

The viral video is genuine footage from a livestream of ballot counting. However, in some cases the video has been manipulated by zooming in to eliminate surrounding areas.

Adrienne Marofsky, public relations director for Delaware County, Pennsylvania, told USA TODAY that the video crops out bipartisan observers who were not more than 6 feet away.

"The cropped video portrays an election worker, seemingly alone at a table, marking a ballot. The actual video shows the election worker at a table with other coworkers in a room full of people with bipartisan observers a few feet away at each end of the table, closely observing the worker from approximately 6 feet away," Marofsky said in an email.

She said the arrangement was agreed upon between the Election Bureau and the former Republican chairman of Delaware County Council.
Election workers are not committing fraud

What counters in the video are actually doing is fixing damaged ballots.

Marofsky said that during ballot processing, a machine extractor opens the ballots. Some ballots were damaged by the extractor and unable to be scanned successfully, she said.

"According to the scanner manufacturer, Hart, the best practice to deal with damaged ballots that cannot be scanned is to transcribe the votes on each ballot to a clean ballot and scan the clean ballot," she said.

The chief clerk of the Delaware County Bureau of Elections then instructed elections staff to manually transcribe the damaged ballots.

The damaged ballots were directly next to the new ballots, and damaged ballots were preserved while bipartisan observers watched closely, according to Marofsky.


I didn't get it from Youtube. I saw it on Newsmax and I don't give a rats arse what Marofsky said. USA Today is a left wing rag that has spewd its bias for years. It's to the point you can't trust or believe anything you see or hear anymore. Everyone lies these days it seems.



Haha there are a bunch of stories saying the same thing I simply copy pasted the first one as I assume you clearly havent google searched it and are just thinking you tube is real news...

I did just google newsmax sence I never heard of it, haha they are becoming popular now that Fox News is losing its favor with all the nut jobs.

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Re: Election 2020 [Re: J.P. Greeson] #13782034 11/23/20 04:37 PM
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"Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China."

Hey Zip, I shared your thoughts with our local weatherman Frankie. I think we're going to have to look elsewhere for more support.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: Techfisher] #13782110 11/23/20 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Techfisher
...."state legislatures follow the Constitutional rules and appoint their own electors" ...it will never happen. We will still have divided government so gridlock will continue and the political tribalism will continue. Trump can stomp his feet like a child all he wants...the fact remains he lost. The whole fraud thing is over board nutso.....some minor counting mistakes might have been made but there was no nation wide fraud. There is no grand conspiracy....we can't get 50 states to agree on mask mandates and people think there was this vast voter fraud....not happening.



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Re: Election 2020 [Re: Tsunami_1] #13782116 11/23/20 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
Originally Posted by Zipster
" political tribalism will continue. Trump can stomp his feet like a child all he wants...the fact remains he lost. The whole fraud thing is over board nutso.....some minor counting mistakes might have been made but there was no nation wide fraud. There is no grand conspiracy....we can't get 50 states to agree on mask mandates and people think there was this vast voter fraud....not happening."

Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.


You really do believe this don't you? It's ok, I support you and your belief.
I've learned to never say never but at some point common logical sense has to kick in (Votes in cars headed to Canada???). As mentioned before, This is the Election for the President of the United States of America. Some of the accusations would make you believe were voting for the Mayor of Hooterville. What was that guys name? Fred Drucker or something like that. Never trusted that guy.


https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...834d150-1f6f-11eb-94be-97bbd829af9d.html

Go ahead. Keep your head in the sand.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: Jeff From Iowa] #13782123 11/23/20 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff From Iowa



Haha there are a bunch of stories saying the same thing I simply copy pasted the first one as I assume you clearly havent google searched it and are just thinking you tube is real news...

I did just google newsmax sence I never heard of it, haha they are becoming popular now that Fox News is losing its favor with all the nut jobs.


They are leaving Fox because it has gone too far to the left.
From their perspective, OAN and Newsmax are now the center for honest news.



If you just listen to the evening or morning news, most of them are similar. When we go to the vast majority of the stink that are really just political hacks doing talk shows, you choose which one will give you more ideas you can pass off as some truth.
Honestly the way to get out of this mess is to get away from hacks. Think for yourself and know that we stink as observers.


Re: Election 2020 [Re: Zipster] #13782137 11/23/20 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Zipster
Originally Posted by Tsunami_1
Originally Posted by Zipster
" political tribalism will continue. Trump can stomp his feet like a child all he wants...the fact remains he lost. The whole fraud thing is over board nutso.....some minor counting mistakes might have been made but there was no nation wide fraud. There is no grand conspiracy....we can't get 50 states to agree on mask mandates and people think there was this vast voter fraud....not happening."

Are you blind or just hate Trump that much? Minor counting errors? There's video of them filling in ballots. Video of them running votes through the machine unsupervised. they found votes in the trash and in a car headed to Canada. Good lord, this isn't about Trump or Biden, this is about your vote being marginalized. Open your eyes or you're going to wake up in a socialist America controlled by China.


You really do believe this don't you? It's ok, I support you and your belief.
I've learned to never say never but at some point common logical sense has to kick in (Votes in cars headed to Canada???). As mentioned before, This is the Election for the President of the United States of America. Some of the accusations would make you believe were voting for the Mayor of Hooterville. What was that guys name? Fred Drucker or something like that. Never trusted that guy.


https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...834d150-1f6f-11eb-94be-97bbd829af9d.html

Go ahead. Keep your head in the sand.

Three, I repeat three absentee ballots. Massive fraud I tell ya! roflmao roflmao roflmao


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