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Re: Election 2020 [Re: barndoor] #13775350 11/18/20 02:47 PM
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2700 votes "found" is trying in vain to make is sound like something sinister. Next time grasp for something that could remotely be considered tampering, not just a process mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if there are dozens of these events that are found during the final voting audits that are currently underway. So far, the projections are not in in any kind of jeopardy- even in states where the margin was slim. The people have spoken just as in 2016 when crooked Hillary was shown the door. It's time to man up and accept the results no matter how bitter they may be. There is a country in transition that should be the focus of all of us.
I'm confident the final results will soon be certified- will you still be in denial? Can the govt that is so incompetent on one hand pull off something so complex on the other? Out of over 150 million votes cast, sadly there will be a small number that are not counted or inaccurately counted. As with anything in life, there's a margin of error in play eben in elections.


Well said. You have to be a fool to not think there is not going to be a small margin error when dealing with 150 million votes. That is in no way fraud, just human error. All the alleged uncounted votes were not even for Trump.

Michigan just certified their results. It’s over boys.


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Re: Election 2020 [Re: barndoor] #13775353 11/18/20 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by barndoor
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2700 votes "found" is trying in vain to make is sound like something sinister. Next time grasp for something that could remotely be considered tampering, not just a process mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if there are dozens of these events that are found during the final voting audits that are currently underway. So far, the projections are not in in any kind of jeopardy- even in states where the margin was slim. The people have spoken just as in 2016 when crooked Hillary was shown the door. It's time to man up and accept the results no matter how bitter they may be. There is a country in transition that should be the focus of all of us.
I'm confident the final results will soon be certified- will you still be in denial? Can the govt that is so incompetent on one hand pull off something so complex on the other? Out of over 150 million votes cast, sadly there will be a small number that are not counted or inaccurately counted. As with anything in life, there's a margin of error in play eben in elections.


Well said. You have to be a fool to not think there is not going to be a small margin error when dealing with 150 million votes. That is in no way fraud, just human error. All the alleged uncounted votes were not even for Trump.

Michigan just certified their results. It’s over boys.

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2700 votes "found" is trying in vain to make is sound like something sinister. Next time grasp for something that could remotely be considered tampering, not just a process mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if there are dozens of these events that are found during the final voting audits that are currently underway. So far, the projections are not in in any kind of jeopardy- even in states where the margin was slim. The people have spoken just as in 2016 when crooked Hillary was shown the door. It's time to man up and accept the results no matter how bitter they may be. There is a country in transition that should be the focus of all of us.
I'm confident the final results will soon be certified- will you still be in denial? Can the govt that is so incompetent on one hand pull off something so complex on the other? Out of over 150 million votes cast, sadly there will be a small number that are not counted or inaccurately counted. As with anything in life, there's a margin of error in play eben in elections.


Well said. You have to be a fool to not think there is not going to be a small margin error when dealing with 150 million votes. That is in no way fraud, just human error. All the alleged uncounted votes were not even for Trump.

Michigan just certified their results. It’s over boys.

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Re: Election 2020 [Re: Frank the Tank] #13775358 11/18/20 02:50 PM
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2700 votes "found" is trying in vain to make is sound like something sinister. Next time grasp for something that could remotely be considered tampering, not just a process mistake. I wouldn't be surprised if there are dozens of these events that are found during the final voting audits that are currently underway. So far, the projections are not in in any kind of jeopardy- even in states where the margin was slim. The people have spoken just as in 2016 when crooked Hillary was shown the door. It's time to man up and accept the results no matter how bitter they may be. There is a country in transition that should be the focus of all of us.
I'm confident the final results will soon be certified- will you still be in denial? Can the govt that is so incompetent on one hand pull off something so complex on the other? Out of over 150 million votes cast, sadly there will be a small number that are not counted or inaccurately counted. As with anything in life, there's a margin of error in play eben in elections.


Well said. You have to be a fool to not think there is not going to be a small margin error when dealing with 150 million votes. That is in no way fraud, just human error. All the alleged uncounted votes were not even for Trump.

Michigan just certified their results. It’s over boys.


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Re: Election 2020 [Re: Team Skeeterless] #13775360 11/18/20 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Team Skeeterless
Anyone that doesn’t think new ballots and votes showing up this far past Election Day no matter who they are for isn’t proof and a truly compromised election is nuts!! At this point how is anyone to trust the election system. The bs media lying to us as do all the politicians. I mean seriously all left based media saying most secure election in history. What a load of bs. Massive mail in voting in no way can be considered secure!


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Re: Election 2020 [Re: Moto-Moto] #13775405 11/18/20 03:14 PM
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Minnow. 5300 in two counties alone. How many counties are in Georgia, or the US for that matter? And only a momo would think that they'd all be for one candidate. I couldn't care less who they are for.....but fair is fair. Thats the difference between the left and the right.


I'm not sure where the fair part comes in? Those votes are being counted now. Did the states all stop counting votes as soon as the projections were made for Biden? You're so biased by your political leaning that you can't properly look at the outcome for what it is. The Republicans overall did pretty well (due to Trump)- he wasn't a drag down the ballot, it was just the top of the ballot that many swing voters found unfavorable.

We are election day +two weeks now and there's only two counties involving 5300 votes that are reporting errors in Georgia with a few hundred vote adjustment. Maybe more will be found? I have no idea what the current situation is across the country but I'd have to think there are more similar situations in most states. If you voted in person, it's not hard to see how mistakes are made by those at the polling place. God bless them for giving their time for a noble cause. I don't see that as definitive proof the entire system failed and a systemic attempt at fraud has been uncovered. How were the votes found? Was it the normal audit process at work? Any audit can/will lead to count adjustments- that's the purpose of the audit.

In the end, I don't think the projections are not likely to be altered given the differences in most states, but that is why we have a few weeks after the election to get the final results tabulated. Let's move forward and think about what can be done in two/four years....

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Originally Posted by Team Skeeterless
Anyone that doesn’t think new ballots and votes showing up this far past Election Day no matter who they are for isn’t proof and a truly compromised election is nuts!! At this point how is anyone to trust the election system. The bs media lying to us as do all the politicians. I mean seriously all left based media saying most secure election in history. What a load of bs. Massive mail in voting in no way can be considered secure!

Actually President Trump's Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency declared the 2020 election “the most secure in American history". So, Tuesday night Trump fired his administration’s most senior cybersecurity official responsible for securing the presidential election, Christopher Krebs.

Sir, that is not the "left based media", that is Trump's administration saying this. Clearly, Trump is trying to suppress the truth in order to keep his base riled up.

And it's working unfortunately.

Re: Election 2020 [Re: J.P. Greeson] #13775421 11/18/20 03:23 PM
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Since minnow didnt want to answer the other questions I will ask this one. If it is proven that the voting machines or employees were changing votes or some other fraud that did effect the results are you going to accept that?
You claim that if someone is questioning the security of our election it has to be because of our political leanings, well, does that mean your unwillingness to let the system play it out is because of your political leaning?

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Minnow. 5300 in two counties alone. How many counties are in Georgia, or the US for that matter? And only a momo would think that they'd all be for one candidate. I couldn't care less who they are for.....but fair is fair. Thats the difference between the left and the right.


I'm not sure where the fair part comes in? Those votes are being counted now. Did the states all stop counting votes as soon as the projections were made for Biden? You're so biased by your political leaning that you can't properly look at the outcome for what it is. The Republicans overall did pretty well (due to Trump)- he wasn't a drag down the ballot, it was just the top of the ballot that many swing voters found unfavorable.

We are election day +two weeks now and there's only two counties involving 5300 votes that are reporting errors in Georgia with a few hundred vote adjustment. Maybe more will be found? I have no idea what the current situation is across the country but I'd have to think there are more similar situations in most states. If you voted in person, it's not hard to see how mistakes are made by those at the polling place. God bless them for giving their time for a noble cause. I don't see that as definitive proof the entire system failed and a systemic attempt at fraud has been uncovered. How were the votes found? Was it the normal audit process at work? Any audit can/will lead to count adjustments- that's the purpose of the audit.

In the end, I don't think the projections are not likely to be altered given the differences in most states, but that is why we have a few weeks after the election to get the final results tabulated. Let's move forward and think about what can be done in two/four years....



The thumb drives that were found in Georgia were just not uploaded into the initial counts. It has happened in the past. Part of the problem with having our election systems not online where they automatically record, but much more secure. Clerical error that was caught under audit/recount, and included before the vote was certified. Looks like the system worked. Georgia has announced that they have completed their recount/audit.


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Minnow, the flaw in your logic is that you think if someone is questioning the election integrity that they want Ttump to win. How do you know that to be the case?
Serious question, if the roles were reversed and while nobody was counting he received 100s of thousands of votes and won the election what do you believe would be taking place?
If we've spent the last 4 years investigating foriegn interference in our elections why would we be using foriegn stuff to count our ballots, with ties to Soros? Why would the dominion machines let employees change ballots? It's in the manual that it will allow it. Let's say Trump owned the machines and he used Russia as the place to send the count or get the machines, what then?
I could keep going but these are fair questions with no end game in mind other than making sure your vote counts. That doesnt even cover the fake polls used for voter suppression, the censorship, etc.


So my logic is flawed in who is crying about the election? It started months ago- well before election day.

It's not much of a leap to surmise who is complaining about sour grapes:

"Serious question, if the roles were reversed and while nobody was counting he received 100s of thousands of votes and won the election what do you believe would be taking place?" [b][/b][u][/u]
I'm not sure how to answer this question... "while nobody was counting"

So somebody just walked over and pulled the plug out of the wall every time somebody wearing a MAGA hat went into the booth?

We had four years to prepare for foreign interference and we just used foreign *stuff* to count our ballots bought and paid for by Soros? So what you're saying is that we have voting machines that allowed an override of a personal ballot without any kind of audit trail that the adjustment was made? I bet the login/password was admin/123456 and no activity is logged of what happened while the user is logged in? So when a supervisor comes over and approves a price adjustment for your cashier on an item in the store- there's not a record created of the adjustment and who allowed it?

Polls are a waste of time for me and most people- they're just pretty graphics to talk about and burn time until the next commercial break but I guarantee the campaign managers put a LOT of effort into obtaining solid polling data. That dictates largely how funds are directed.

Censorship is the enemy of our republic- but then I see a post like this and wonder about the propagation of misleading and false information on social media and news outlets that editorialize rather than report facts. Give me facts, I don't need to be spoon fed opinions or theories. So if Russian bots (supporting republicans) and Chinese bots (supporting democrats) are posting inflammatory information- what do we do?

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Since minnow didnt want to answer the other questions I will ask this one. If it is proven that the voting machines or employees were changing votes or some other fraud that did effect the results are you going to accept that?
You claim that if someone is questioning the security of our election it has to be because of our political leanings, well, does that mean your unwillingness to let the system play it out is because of your political leaning?



I absolutely would accept that. The losers always question the election validity. You are just the latest in that long line- you don't remember the crying that happened four years ago about how bad the electoral college was. How we should do away with the electoral college and do a popular vote instead? Funny how neither side has questioned the electoral college process versus a popular vote this time. I wonder why? roflmao

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Minnow, the flaw in your logic is that you think if someone is questioning the election integrity that they want Ttump to win. How do you know that to be the case?
Serious question, if the roles were reversed and while nobody was counting he received 100s of thousands of votes and won the election what do you believe would be taking place?
If we've spent the last 4 years investigating foriegn interference in our elections why would we be using foriegn stuff to count our ballots, with ties to Soros? Why would the dominion machines let employees change ballots? It's in the manual that it will allow it. Let's say Trump owned the machines and he used Russia as the place to send the count or get the machines, what then?
I could keep going but these are fair questions with no end game in mind other than making sure your vote counts. That doesnt even cover the fake polls used for voter suppression, the censorship, etc.


So my logic is flawed in who is crying about the election? It started months ago- well before election day.

It's not much of a leap to surmise who is complaining about sour grapes:

"Serious question, if the roles were reversed and while nobody was counting he received 100s of thousands of votes and won the election what do you believe would be taking place?" [b][/b][u][/u]
I'm not sure how to answer this question... "while nobody was counting"

So somebody just walked over and pulled the plug out of the wall every time somebody wearing a MAGA hat went into the booth?
No, when the states quot counting and all those votes showed up while they weren't counting.
We had four years to prepare for foreign interference and we just used foreign *stuff* to count our ballots bought and paid for by Soros? So what you're saying is that we have voting machines that allowed an override of a personal ballot without any kind of audit trail that the adjustment was made? I bet the login/password was admin/123456 and no activity is logged of what happened while the user is logged in? So when a supervisor comes over and approves a price adjustment for your cashier on an item in the store- there's not a record created of the adjustment and who allowed it?
We dont know, that's why it should be investigated. If a party is willing to go to the lengths of creating fake documents to get warrants to spy, start Russia propaganda, etc, why wouldnt they try to rig an election? Did they all of sudden vet on the straight and narrow?

Polls are a waste of time for me and most people- they're just pretty graphics to talk about and burn time until the next commercial break but I guarantee the campaign managers put a LOT of effort into obtaining solid polling data. That dictates largely how funds are directed.
Yes, I dont care for polls either but there wouldnt be so much put into polls if they weren't effective.
Censorship is the enemy of our republic- but then I see a post like this and wonder about the propagation of misleading and false information on social media and news outlets that editorialize rather than report facts. Give me facts, I don't need to be spoon fed opinions or theories. So if Russian bots (supporting republicans) and Chinese bots (supporting democrats) are posting inflammatory information- what do we do?

You use your brain, to put it simply although that's not the specifics categories I mean. Somehow I doubt you will see this but has twitter and facebook not shown biased during this election? The hunter Biden story? Many reports of conservative censorship? I could personally care less about some foriegn bots or whatever but I do care that those get let thru but factual speech gets censored because it doesnt meet a certain view point. All said and done, I dont care who wins the election. I have my personal pick but it's not the end all be all if he doesnt win or does win. I get a little tired of the one side or the other side, you have to be on one b.s. If dems run a candidate I like I will vote for that person, same with reps. I dont have to pick a party, nobody does. God doesnt care what kind of government we have, only that it would honor him, that's my deciding factor

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Minnow, the flaw in your logic is that you think if someone is questioning the election integrity that they want Ttump to win. How do you know that to be the case?
Serious question, if the roles were reversed and while nobody was counting he received 100s of thousands of votes and won the election what do you believe would be taking place?
If we've spent the last 4 years investigating foriegn interference in our elections why would we be using foriegn stuff to count our ballots, with ties to Soros? Why would the dominion machines let employees change ballots? It's in the manual that it will allow it. Let's say Trump owned the machines and he used Russia as the place to send the count or get the machines, what then?
I could keep going but these are fair questions with no end game in mind other than making sure your vote counts. That doesnt even cover the fake polls used for voter suppression, the censorship, etc.


So my logic is flawed in who is crying about the election? It started months ago- well before election day.

It's not much of a leap to surmise who is complaining about sour grapes:

"Serious question, if the roles were reversed and while nobody was counting he received 100s of thousands of votes and won the election what do you believe would be taking place?" [b][/b][u][/u]
I'm not sure how to answer this question... "while nobody was counting"

So somebody just walked over and pulled the plug out of the wall every time somebody wearing a MAGA hat went into the booth?
No, when the states quot counting and all those votes showed up while they weren't counting.
I don't recall the vote counting actually stopping in any state after the polls closed, in fact in many places it is still being finalized. Just because a winner can be projected by a news outlet based upon their specific criteria doesn't impact election processes or stop the official counts. There were mail in ballots that if postmarked by that state's legal date which are required to be counted- shouldn't EVERY legal ballot be counted? My 88 year old father opted to mail in his ballot this time.
We had four years to prepare for foreign interference and we just used foreign *stuff* to count our ballots bought and paid for by Soros? So what you're saying is that we have voting machines that allowed an override of a personal ballot without any kind of audit trail that the adjustment was made? I bet the login/password was admin/123456 and no activity is logged of what happened while the user is logged in? So when a supervisor comes over and approves a price adjustment for your cashier on an item in the store- there's not a record created of the adjustment and who allowed it?
We dont know, that's why it should be investigated. If a party is willing to go to the lengths of creating fake documents to get warrants to spy, start Russia propaganda, etc, why wouldnt they try to rig an election? Did they all of sudden vet on the straight and narrow?

Polls are a waste of time for me and most people- they're just pretty graphics to talk about and burn time until the next commercial break but I guarantee the campaign managers put a LOT of effort into obtaining solid polling data. That dictates largely how funds are directed.
Yes, I dont care for polls either but there wouldnt be so much put into polls if they weren't effective.
Censorship is the enemy of our republic- but then I see a post like this and wonder about the propagation of misleading and false information on social media and news outlets that editorialize rather than report facts. Give me facts, I don't need to be spoon fed opinions or theories. So if Russian bots (supporting republicans) and Chinese bots (supporting democrats) are posting inflammatory information- what do we do?

You use your brain, to put it simply although that's not the specifics categories I mean. Somehow I doubt you will see this but has twitter and facebook not shown biased during this election? The hunter Biden story? Many reports of conservative censorship? I could personally care less about some foriegn bots or whatever but I do care that those get let thru but factual speech gets censored because it doesnt meet a certain view point. All said and done, I dont care who wins the election. I have my personal pick but it's not the end all be all if he doesnt win or does win. I get a little tired of the one side or the other side, you have to be on one b.s. If dems run a candidate I like I will vote for that person, same with reps. I dont have to pick a party, nobody does. God doesnt care what kind of government we have, only that it would honor him, that's my deciding factor


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My points above are specific to the electoral processes and the known facts regarding it at this point. If there are valid arguments that can be made and the lower / upper courts decide in his favor, then his concerns are completely vindicated. Until then, I'll wait for real information rather than the rumors and accusations which have been put forth. You can claim anything but that doesn't make it a legal judgement.

Hunter Biden, he was a sketchy character (in my opinion) back when his Dad was VP- how does he get that position in a foreign company without the Biden name- try never. Was this information suppressed before this election? Sure seemed that it fell to the backpage very quickly, but we know the media had a bias- watch any program on a "news" channel these days and it's all about pushing some narrative- not giving news, Most people want the "news" geared to what they believe in and the media understands that. I believe if an outlet truly attempted to be unbiased it would be cancelled before the week was over. BTW- the Biden story also had the appearance of choreographed maneuver (in my opinion- not a fact) by Rudy G and team to leak it before the election. Trump tried to make it an issue in the debate that I watched. Yet Trump won't discuss his own tax returns- guards them better than Obama did his birth certificate. We can go back and forth but I will only speculate all these guys have plenty to hide and do so.

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Why do I have the theme song to Gilligan's Island in my head watching the back and forth between The Skipper and the Minnow........


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Why do I have the theme song to Gilligan's Island in my head watching the back and forth between The Skipper and the Minnow........

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