I agree. And money...

I did not say there were better options but other options were being studied that show promise.
I did not say it should be used as a last resort, but that I was ok with it being used as a last resort
Plasma donation I said looks promising based on the science.
And I said my credentials (Medical) are pretty weak. But I understand statistics and how they should be used to validate a theory. And the number of doctors would not be many, but those that did a valid scientific study of the efficacy. Until they do that, it is anecdotal. Especially with the limited number of observations they could have made.
You called me a liberal without any knowledge of what I am or even what that means. I admit, you may not be a lying,denying free spending Trump supporter but you act irrational so I made that assumption. And all the doctors who say it works. Haven't seen a list.
I should not be political, but if you say it is not, then you are not comprehending again. And Trump is selectively relaying what the experts are telling him plus making it up on his own. Did you not see him cut off Dr. Fauchi when he was asked about the drug? False hope is not helpful. Ruins his credibility. Kinda like when he said initially we had 15 and they would be recovered and it would be over.

Now, what are your credentials for validating the efficacy. What about this drug makes you think it is especially good for treating CV. Today drugs are designed to treat specific problems. Are you saying this one coincidentally works for Lupus and CV?

And btw, I know a witch doctor who several of my friends have told me that he can lay his hands on your head and give you critical thinking skills.

Why are we questioning a harmless drug that has already been approved by the FDA? Millions of people are using it as we speak. This entire concept of clinical and blind trials is insane.

I’m not the one who said there are many options that are just as likely to work:



What are the other many options just as likely to work and where is the proof? Further, which of the many options just as likely to work are as readily available and have been tested for use in humans for 65 years and also are cheap? (Source on it’s relative safety in use of most people, even pregnant women and long term: https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/hydroxychloroquine.pdf )

I also never validated the efficacy, I’m leaving that to the doctors treating patients with the virus who are reporting that it is having success. I’m listening to what experts are reporting, not just in this country, mind you.

You said you “have no problem with people using it as a last resort.”

A) you’re not a doctor, nor a patient with CV, so it’s not up to you, but thanks for giving your blessing for it to be used as a last resort.
B) that statement indicates that you think it should be used as a last resort and not early on in the process, even though you haven’t explained why you feel that way but have said you’re not a doctor or an expert. So, why do you feel that way? This isn’t a new drug developed in a rush in the last two weeks. It’s been around for over 60 years and the side effects are well known. It’s cheap, it’s available, so what’s your hangup, other than the fact that Trump has been mentioning it, especially when it will be administered under the care of a doctor for people suffering from a novel virus with no known cure and is easily transferable?

Yes, plasma donations as a treatment does look promising, but you understand why using an available drug is preferable to relying on plasma donations, especially since you’re all in to statistics, numbers and helping sick people right?

Here is a doctor speaking to it’s effectiveness in CV patients:



https://www.local10.com/news/local/...h-florida-patient-with-covid-19-recover/

Here is a Michigan democratic state rep talking about how it saved her life:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life/

I should’ve just led off with this and not typed all of the above, but you saying you know a witch doctor in response is one of the biggest self-owns in the history of debate.

It’s 100% politics and it’s ridiculous.

Like the vast majority of drugs, i'ts NOT harmless. It's potent enough that it is not at all difficult to take a toxic dose. In fact, given the fact that many people think "if some is good, more is better" we would see a notable number of deaths from it if it were available over the counter. For some people, taking it at all is too much risk, possibly even more than the disease they're trying to treat. I doubt any doctor would put his license at risk by prescribing it for me. So, while there is controversy, know that it's absolutely wrong to say "harmless".

With the above out of the way, I have no issue with doctors using it after proper consideration and disclosure to patients so that informed consent prevails.

Yes.... by modulating the lysosomes it suppresses Lupus flare ups and makes the breakdown of lung tissue less severe by impeding their ability to digest adjacent material. Our cell’s digestive enzymes are harmful to us if not used properly.

There are some great articles on the mechanism if you have trouble sleeping at night. Very thorough.

What about Lycoming?

Isn’t that what they call the werewolves in that underworld movie? The chick in that movie is a smoke show.

It was a play on words thing for JacksonBean - the name of a company that makes aircraft engines he would know about, instead of Lysosomes.

Specifically the IO 550?!
(there was no flying emoji)

Hydroxychloroquine is not a miracle cure but it the only one I know of that a doctor can currently prescribe. The rest of the many, many, many are months and months away enduring rigorous testing and analysis. Well, I guess you could try bloodletting with leeches.

If I was stricken with COVID-19 and symptoms getting worse I would certainly take it if the docs would prescribe it. Pretty sure just about anyone would no matter their political bias.