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Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: Jpurdue] #13482945 03/22/20 06:52 PM
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Look, this is a serious problem, but the fear mongering is ridiculous. Do the math. Numbers do not lie. Yes, they can be manipulated as we are seeing in the press, but if you just take flat facts about death rates, severe and critical, and infection rates, it’s not nearly as bad as it’s being made out to be. Still serious, but not this freaking serious. Now if we don’t do anything then we could end up like Italy... 1/12,000 are dying.


No offense good sir, but your doing the math incorrectly. Not trying to fear monger here at all. Agree it's very serious. 1/12000 are dead right now, but people are still dying in mass there. So that ratio is going to get lower and lower as time goes on until the last death occurs. Are you arguing no more people are going to die in Italy?


No, but are you going to exclude all the other countries where the worst is over and their death rates weren’t nearly as bad?

Prove my math wrong based off of the knowledge we have. Include best case scenarios too.

Alright, we’re in agreement we hope it’s best case scenario so forget it. Stay safe and hopefully well.


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Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: Chug-bug-bang1] #13482946 03/22/20 06:52 PM
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It may not be over for China and South Korea. They got their rate of spread under control by shutting almost everything down for a month, they are not back to normal yet. They will probably see another spike when they go back to work. Keeping everything shutdown is not sustainable but the virus is still active. I think we will have intermittent shutdowns on and off again until a vaccine is available.

Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: lanman71] #13482952 03/22/20 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lanman71
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Look, this is a serious problem, but the fear mongering is ridiculous. Do the math. Numbers do not lie. Yes, they can be manipulated as we are seeing in the press, but if you just take flat facts about death rates, severe and critical, and infection rates, it’s not nearly as bad as it’s being made out to be. Still serious, but not this freaking serious. Now if we don’t do anything then we could end up like Italy... 1/12,000 are dying.


No offense good sir, but your doing the math incorrectly. Not trying to fear monger here at all. Agree it's very serious. 1/12000 are dead right now, but people are still dying in mass there. So that ratio is going to get lower and lower as time goes on until the last death occurs. Are you arguing no more people are going to die in Italy?


No, but are you going to exclude all the other countries where the worst is over and their death rates weren’t nearly as bad?

Prove my math wrong based off of the knowledge we have. Include best case scenarios too.


I was just going off your example you used with Italy. I suspect when the dust settles we'll end up better off than Italy as a percentage of deaths. But that's not to say we'll have less than 1/12000 people dead, because Italy is going to end up with a much worse ratio than they currently have at the moment. I'm not sure if I'm explaining that well. My main point is I guarantee you more than 5-6 people will die in Houston. But anyways, we both agree it's a serious situation.


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Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: Chug-bug-bang1] #13483019 03/22/20 08:06 PM
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NBC News has total cases at 29,000 which is way lower than the world clock. They just broke in with that report.

Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: Chug-bug-bang1] #13483286 03/23/20 12:10 AM
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Just to clarify. I’m not advocating against taking precautions or saying this isn’t a potential disaster. I just don’t think the news reports vs the actual numbers make sense right now. When this is said and done and we have the complete picture, I could have been completely wrong so use common sense.


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Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: lanman71] #13483310 03/23/20 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lanman71
Just to clarify. I’m not advocating against taking precautions or saying this isn’t a potential disaster. I just don’t think the news reports vs the actual numbers make sense right now. When this is said and done and we have the complete picture, I could have been completely wrong so use common sense.



Same here.

Unfortunately we ran a call earlier where the patient has a chronic illness and chances are they will pass away at the hospital within days. Pretty heartbreaking hearing the patient and family saying their final goodbyes since the patient will not be allowed any visitors. Pretty sobering to see what some of the unintended consequences of these restrictions may cause. Heartbreaking but I understand why they are doing what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by Mark Perry
NBC News has total cases at 29,000 which is way lower than the world clock. They just broke in with that report.


It's nearly what the DOW 30 was. Humm.

Re: Fake news or propaganda or the stories are real [Re: BigDozer66] #13484323 03/23/20 05:53 PM
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There is certainly more Media Hysteria than Verified Knowledge going around. hammer
If you listen to some "sources" half the population of the US will contract it and half of them will die. OMG


Yep. Whatever "news" network on the tube (tube - now there's a topic for another discussion) must've dug real deep to get the authoritative medical doctor the talking heads were questioning. positively claims the US death toll will be 20-25% of the population by the end of this year.

Talk about stoking the faux fires of hysteria.


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