Thats why I am getting ready to upgrade my system to the Lowrance HDS Live along with the trolling motor transducer. I fished Toledo Bend with a friend who had that setup. $5k plus is a lot of money for this new system but we were actually able to see the bait fish move and the bass swim after them. We were able to stay on the fish and caught quite a few. Only thing now is to figure out how to keep the Mrs out of the loop. I made a mistake and let her find the receipt when I upgraded to the HDS Gen 3 units a few years back. Haha. I also looked at the Garmin setup and it was actually more expensive than the lowrance set up. Hummingbirds version would require glassing in a new transducer which I don't want to mess with.