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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: SteezMacQueen] #13306687 10/09/19 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SteezMacQueen
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Originally Posted by NoWeighers


But then again.. You can't ignite oxygen..

I wonder how many people on the TFF actually graduated from Junior High..

How do you do those poll things?



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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: NoWeighers] #13308744 10/11/19 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by NoWeighers
.This system was developed by TPWD biologists in an effort to help save the lives of fish. And after seeing the results of its use it is a no brainer if you want to keep your fish alive.. That is why I promote the use of oxygen systems.. Cause I give a [censored] about the fish..

Some folks that have no mechanical sense probably should not try to install one of these in their boat..

And I don't recommend putting your oxygen bottle or lines in the bilge.. Plenty of room for bottle and lines in other compartments away from ignition sources..But then again.. You can't ignite oxygen/


I don't believe pure 100% oxygen will explode or burn either, that’s a no-brainer for you and I and a few fishermen. It's a moment of enlightenment for many fishermen that know little to nothing about pure oxygen gas, not interested in O2 fire safety, don’t and will never use oxygen in livewells regardless of how good it is for the bass. The bass boat comes with livewells, water pumps and aerators… that’s insures good enough care for any bass anywhere, anytime, any summer.. right?

James, in your opinion does this homemade O2 system instillation video discount oxygen fire safety (O2 in the bilge) or what?

Check out this promotional U-tube video narrated by a TP&WD Inland Fishery Department fishery biologist. You may know or have worked with this fellow. This biologist demonstrated how to build an inexpensive DIY homemade oxygen injection system to keep tournament bass alive, good for the fish. He includes a detailed system components list in his video, with both medical O2 regulator, O2 tank and gas tubing specifications.

No disrespect to fishery biologist, but this biologist either forgot about mentioning oxygen fire safety when running pure 100% oxygen gas @ 50 psi into and through his bass boat bilge in his video.

Or, maybe this biologist does not know anything about oxygen fire safety and live electricity in bilges when running plastic tubing containing pure 100% oxygen through his bass boat bilge under 50 psi tension using plastic vinyl tubing that has many splices and connections in the tubes. The net results of this error by omission regardless of the reason demonstrates a classic exampl of disregarding and discounting O2 system fire safety hazards in bass boat bilges either way.

The biologist’s video clearly demonstrates how to run the plastic tubing into and through the bilge of his bass boat just above and near several deep cycle cranking batteries, near live electrical wires and electrical switches, the tubing is adjacent to and touching live electrical wires connected to chart plotter intentionally for both to run through a small hole. The tubing he uses is common clear vinyl tubing purchased at any hardware store, Lowe’s, Home Depot, on the net or aquarium supply store and all big box store.

Direct livewell Oxygen Injection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EP3d9v5y8

¼” ID reinforced clear vinyl tubing and ¼” black vinyl tubing in sued and also recommended to be use in this promotional video. This vinyl tubing is pressurized with 100% pure oxygen gas @ a constant 50 psi and run through the bass boat bilge like the OEM Bass Cat Boat Tiger Tank O2 system.

The average bass fisherman viewing this video would probably assume this plastic vinyl tubing run through the boat bilge is safe to use with pure O2 @ 50 psi (that’s only 3.4 atmospheres of internal pure O2 gas pressure) inside that vinyl plastic tubing with all those spliced connections. Why would anyone think or believe differently after watching videos like this?

Amazing how little fishermen actually know (the facts) about these bass boat oxygen system used, O2 equipment and pure O2 gas safety.

I ask a simple question and appreciate all responses, It may be best these O2 system are not allowed and prohibited on bass boats for the sake of safety in all bass tournaments, they all may far more dangerous than anyone could ever imagine.
Thanks

Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jack46] #13309006 10/12/19 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack46
Originally Posted by NoWeighers
.This system was developed by TPWD biologists in an effort to help save the lives of fish. And after seeing the results of its use it is a no brainer if you want to keep your fish alive.. That is why I promote the use of oxygen systems.. Cause I give a [censored] about the fish..

Some folks that have no mechanical sense probably should not try to install one of these in their boat..

And I don't recommend putting your oxygen bottle or lines in the bilge.. Plenty of room for bottle and lines in other compartments away from ignition sources..But then again.. You can't ignite oxygen/


I don't believe pure 100% oxygen will explode or burn either, that’s a no-brainer for you and I and a few fishermen. It's a moment of enlightenment for many fishermen that know little to nothing about pure oxygen gas, not interested in O2 fire safety, don’t and will never use oxygen in livewells regardless of how good it is for the bass. The bass boat comes with livewells, water pumps and aerators… that’s insures good enough care for any bass anywhere, anytime, any summer.. right?

James, in your opinion does this homemade O2 system instillation video discount oxygen fire safety (O2 in the bilge) or what?

Check out this promotional U-tube video narrated by a TP&WD Inland Fishery Department fishery biologist. You may know or have worked with this fellow. This biologist demonstrated how to build an inexpensive DIY homemade oxygen injection system to keep tournament bass alive, good for the fish. He includes a detailed system components list in his video, with both medical O2 regulator, O2 tank and gas tubing specifications.

No disrespect to fishery biologist, but this biologist either forgot about mentioning oxygen fire safety when running pure 100% oxygen gas @ 50 psi into and through his bass boat bilge in his video.

Or, maybe this biologist does not know anything about oxygen fire safety and live electricity in bilges when running plastic tubing containing pure 100% oxygen through his bass boat bilge under 50 psi tension using plastic vinyl tubing that has many splices and connections in the tubes. The net results of this error by omission regardless of the reason demonstrates a classic exampl of disregarding and discounting O2 system fire safety hazards in bass boat bilges either way.

The biologist’s video clearly demonstrates how to run the plastic tubing into and through the bilge of his bass boat just above and near several deep cycle cranking batteries, near live electrical wires and electrical switches, the tubing is adjacent to and touching live electrical wires connected to chart plotter intentionally for both to run through a small hole. The tubing he uses is common clear vinyl tubing purchased at any hardware store, Lowe’s, Home Depot, on the net or aquarium supply store and all big box store.

Direct livewell Oxygen Injection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EP3d9v5y8

¼” ID reinforced clear vinyl tubing and ¼” black vinyl tubing in sued and also recommended to be use in this promotional video. This vinyl tubing is pressurized with 100% pure oxygen gas @ a constant 50 psi and run through the bass boat bilge like the OEM Bass Cat Boat Tiger Tank O2 system.

The average bass fisherman viewing this video would probably assume this plastic vinyl tubing run through the boat bilge is safe to use with pure O2 @ 50 psi (that’s only 3.4 atmospheres of internal pure O2 gas pressure) inside that vinyl plastic tubing with all those spliced connections. Why would anyone think or believe differently after watching videos like this?

Amazing how little fishermen actually know (the facts) about these bass boat oxygen system used, O2 equipment and pure O2 gas safety.

I ask a simple question and appreciate all responses, It may be best these O2 system are not allowed and prohibited on bass boats for the sake of safety in all bass tournaments, they all may far more dangerous than anyone could ever imagine.
Thanks



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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jarrett Latta] #13309019 10/12/19 01:47 AM
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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jack46] #13309134 10/12/19 10:44 AM
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...and next weeks thread of critical importance will be about speed limits on lakes. As the Reel Turns will continue to bring you fascinating weekly topics and in-depth discussion for the growth of the sport.

MLF Dink Fest...good or Bad? Now you don't need no stinkin' O2 system.

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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: John175☮] #13309172 10/12/19 12:46 PM
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" The bass boat comes with livewells, water pumps and aerators… that’s insures good enough care for any bass anywhere, anytime, any summer.. right?"


Uh... No..

That's why a lot of us install a O2 system..


I had never watched that video before.. I do know the fellow doing the install..


And while I would personally install the system a little differently, with no joints or splits in the bilge, I would think that a well maintained system would pose no threat..


I put one splitter in the line, near the tank, and run two hoses all the way to the diffusers which I silicone to the floor of the livewell.. If there is any leak at all, it would be in the livewell, or near the bottle which I install up front.. Of course every boat design is different and some are easier than others to put the system in..

But it is really pretty simple..


I am not sure of the working pressure on the lines before the stones release the oxygen into the water.. I have never tested it but I don't think it would be fifty pounds..

On weigh in trailers with similar stones I always use a regulator at 20-25 pounds, and they bubble like crazy at that setting.. The system does not capture the O2 in the lines and hold it at pressure, it releases it thru the stones.

I am not sure where you came up with the repetitious 50 PSI number..


Like all systems on any mechanical device, proper installation and maintenance are important. But properly installed, you should have little trouble or maintenance with the system.

I think I am through now..


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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jack46] #13309261 10/12/19 02:55 PM
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We only use a single hose, no splits, into 1 large stone with suction cups. Pretty simple

Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jack46] #13309296 10/12/19 03:31 PM
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I am a little confused on what the end game of this thread is. Seems you don't like O2 systems and the way some install them. That's fine but not everyone agrees with you. If you think people should stop using them that's OK too but it won't happen. If this is just an oxygen PSA then post links to videos on how you believe it should be done instead of ones you believe are wrong or unsafe. I have found teaching what to do is more effective than teaching what not to do. The "what not to do" should be supplemental and there should be facts and proof to back it up because without those two things it is just opinion.

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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jarrett Latta] #14098181 08/17/21 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
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Originally Posted by Jack46
Without any knowledge, understanding or training using pure 100% oxygen gas, oxygen-enriched environment and oxygen equipment safety, I suppose any oxygen livewell oxygenation system that delivers 100% O2 gas inside a closed livewell is more dangerous than electric aerators, ambient air, water pumps and gasoline for most bass fishermen.

Today there are so many different types/brands of fishing oxygen systems for livewells sold on the internet now as well as those sold from the bass boat manufacturers as well as saltwater sport fishermen keeping tournament redfish alive in C&R tournaments.

I have heard many bass fishermen and aerator salesmen and livewell salesmen claim that livewell oxygen systems are very dangerous… RE: oxygen explosions and oxygen fires, too much O2 in livewells kills/poisons the fish. Actually gasoline, hydrogen gas, acetylene and propane is explosive.

Do you think this may be dangerous: A high pressure oxygen tank 2200 psi full of 100% pure oxygen gas in the bilge of a boat with the hatch lid closed?

Bass Cat Boat Tiger Tank O2 System - https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...ejRydVdjRmJwNlNib1U3LTYzZW5GR1JaemR2RWlB

The oxygen system does not create a fire hazard. The fire hazards in your boat are there regardless of whether you have an oxygen system or not. Think of it this way, oxygen doesn't make the fire, it makes the fire better.


This...^^

I have yet to hear of 1 oxygen system fire. Even Todd Driscoll at tpw uses one and has for a long time. He fishes a lot of tournaments. You're more likely to burn your boat down with lithium batteries than to have a pure oxygen system issue. And they are super simple. Just take them out after events if you're concerned.

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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: avid_basser] #14098333 08/17/21 05:08 PM
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Frank the Tank will be along shortly to plug the V2 vent system.

Can we just leave this topic alone for a few weeks? It has been beat to death. de


BTW, it's V-T2 vent systems and they work. Why knock something that you haven't tested out?

I was skeptical at first as well, then I put them on my Nitro and have never seen my fish more alive and spunky after spending hours in the livewell in 80*+ heat.

They are cheaper and less risk to the [censored] end of your boat being ripped off. scared


We're knocking a system that nobody has tested. Why not? It makes no sense.

Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Jack46] #14098372 08/17/21 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack46
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It's not dangerous unless you're an idiot and make it dangerous.
J, I believe are exactly right here, “It's not dangerous unless you're an idiot and make it dangerous.”

Of course, children and idiots can buy an O2 tank, O2 regulator, plastic air tubing and soaker hose on E-bay for $75 and make a very cheap homemade O2 system. You can bet there are in a few in bass boats on the lake.

These children on U-tube are a fine example: Best Livewell Oxygen System - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgI2ERfSkMs

This U-tube show looks about as dangerous as the BCB Tiger Tank O2 system. The child mentions nothing about pure O2 gas hazards in bass boats, next to oil, batteries and live electric wires and switches in a boat bilge with his homemade O2 system.

I like simplicity how you compare pure oxygen, oxygen enrichment safety to lithium battery explosions and fires, that’s a great comparison and easy to understand. An pure oxygen fire or battery explosion and fire on a boat is no big deal if you have the right kind of fire extinguisher, know how to use it, don’t panic and act quickly.

I remember taking a welding shop class in HS. We were taught all kinds of special safety rules about using pure welding oxygen, oxygen regulators and O2 hose including high pressure oxygen tanks and we had to know and actually practice all those O2 safety rules. We had to learn these rules before we lit-up the welding torch for some odd reason. Learning these silly little safety rules was a big deal back then. Actually I still remember many of those safety rules, those rules stuck for some odd reason.

No disrespect J, but after reading what you have posted, it clear to me that you have had no actual training and you are not even aware about special rules about pure 100% O2 gas safety and O2 tank safety on land or any kind of boat?

Again no disrespect to anyone including J, but after seeing some of these opinions and this U-tube show, it appears O2 safety safety rules do not exist at all with these children that are promoting buying pure O2 equipment and building these simple homemade O2 systems in the garage without any responsible adult supervision that I can see. The appearance of simplicity and lack of O2 gas and O2 tank safety in boat bilges is very obvious, very deceptive and frankly irresponsible IMHO.

I will look for more U-tube shows on this topic later to see what others are promoting and selling to bass fishermen about pure O2 safety, oxygen enriched atmospheres, live electricity, oil contamination, O2 gas tubing leaks at O2 tubing connections in boat bilges on boats.

About those potential O2 gas leaks with tubing in boat bilges ...more O2 tubing splices creates more chances of O2 gas leaks... pure oxygen is heavier that ambient air even inside the boat bilge and boat lockers with closed lids, pure O2 gas will concentrate at the bottom of the bilge which is often oily too. Pure oxygen accumulates and concentrates in the lowest part of the bilge should an O2 tube spring a leak at any connection at any time and that little gas leak fill the bilge with pure 100% oxygen gas without you being aware of this accident. Just another O2 safety matter to consider about building a simple homemade O2 system just in case you did not already know that.



That a lot to throw out after starting a thread saying you know nothing about it, eh?

I own a pure oxygen system. I have also been a scuba diver which allowed me to have some experience with regulators.
They are fairly reliable if taken care of and not allowed to corrode.
They also reduce the pressure to a few pounds and in the case of a pure oxygen system, would take many hours to fill an engine compartment. Since they are ventilated by law you should be ok.

Saying that oxygen will remain at 100% is wrong. It will mix with the air and have a higher percentage of air.
That is why the percentage of oxygen at 10 thousand feet is approximately the same as the surface.

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Just get VT-2 livewell vents and you will never need an O2 system and will save all that money and hassle. thumb


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Re: Which bass boat oxygen systems are most dangerous? [Re: Frank the Tank] #14098402 08/17/21 06:02 PM
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Just get VT-2 livewell vents and you will never need an O2 system and will save all that money and hassle. thumb


Which bass boat do you own if I may ask? Also why do you keep adding your two cents into ALMOST every single livewell thread about your VT-2?

The reason I ask is that having read dozens of threads over the last couple of years you are ALMOST always adding the VT-2. The reason I highlight ALMOST is because the one thread about livewells, the basskitty thread you started, you chose not to tell everyone that they just needed to put in one of your fittings and the rest of their goop was unnecessary.

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Put em on a BassCat too if you want your fish to be CRAZY lively at weigh in. EVERY boat should have them. They're only $40 for a set and work GREAT. ....... happy now?


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