Saw this last night. All this talk about gas mileage and looks. What about the safety aspect? Tundra was the first truck. Kind of surprised at the net results.

If I were prone to hitting gigantic steel I-beams, I would be worried.

Along with not caring about MPG, I’ve never considered the crash rating of a vehicle during the purchase process.

Also, it was pretty realistic crash results. You can tell that the test dummy they used in a the ford was an old, because the blinker was on the entire time.

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What do you think you have to sacrifice owning a Chevy/Ford/Ram? I don't think Dodge makes pickups anymore.

For the record, my dad has a Tundra with just a few more miles than me (75k vs 61k in my Ram), and he's had several small fixes on his that were outside the 36k warranty. My Ram hasn't had any. New trucks these days are all very well-built. It's not the late 90s or mid 2000s anymore when certain brands had major quality issues. For the most part, they've realized that they can't be charging $30k+ for vehicles that have all sorts of issues. There are exceptions of course, but they're much more rare than they used to be.

I'm also not saying that you have to pick one truck because it gets 18 mpg and the Tundra gets 16 mpg. I'm saying the Tundra gets 16 mpg and other half tons are getting 25-30 mpg. It's not "a few mpg" difference like it was a decade ago.

These threads always get interesting. Its always the same arguments presented by different people. There are no BAD trucks anymore. All of them have +'s and -'s. I believe all of them have taken their lumps since he 90's with bad stretches of quality control. I have owned them all since 1990 and was one of those "I will never drive a foreign vehicle people". I even laughed at the first gen tundra's. One thing is for certain, the Tundra is not a "niche" truck anymore. After getting laughed out of the market (and rightfully so) with the first gen tundra's, Toyota got serious and built that gynormous plant in San Antonio to build a real 1/2 ton truck. For those arguing that the Tundra isn't American, that is true only in name. GM and Ram don't even come close to the Tundra in % American parts. Ford is the only one close. Any company who builds on American soil, with American sweat, providing for American families, paying American taxes is more American than a company taking American taxes (BAILOUT money) and then moving 1/2 your work to foreign countries (Trump just called out GM on this last week on twitter saying "You took our money and then ran off, leaving those who helped you behind!!)

From what I understand, the plant is San Antonio makes Tacoma's 1/2 the year and Tundra's the other 1/2, thus keeping supplies low and demand high. There is a reason you don't hear Toyota Dealerships shouting "25% off MSRP this weekend only"!! They don't have to! If you have ever negotiated at a Toyota dealer, its a little different. They will budge a bit, but not near as much as what I was used to in negotiating my Rams, Chevys,or Fords.

The reason that Toyota does not discount vehicles 25% is because they set their MSRPs lower than the big 3. When I bought mine 15% off on a Tundra was a good deal compared to 25% on a GM. I think the big 3 just want to make you think you are getting a good deal, I remember when people use to say that Tundras cost more than the others. This is not true at all in fact it is the opposite. All of the quotes I got on GMs were about $2k higher for the same trim level.

The reason that Toyota does not discount vehicles 25% is because they set their MSRPs lower than the big 3. When I bought mine 15% off on a Tundra was a good deal compared to 25% on a GM. I think the big 3 just want to make you think you are getting a good deal, I remember when people use to say that Tundras cost more than the others. This is not true at all in fact it is the opposite. All of the quotes I got on GMs were about $2k higher for the same trim level.

Late to the party. I just picked up a 2020 Tundra. It has everything I need. Led headlights and fogs, remote start, push button start, android auto, adaptive cruise control, parking sensors. A lot of that was added with this model, and it's why I waited for 2020. I wish it had surround cams since it's relatively large, and my work parking garage is tight. A 6 foot bed would be nice, but that's not an option here. Otherwise, I'm happy. I test drove about 6 different F150 models from raptor to XLT. I didn't really want an ecoboost, and I heard the newer 5.0 was having issues. Also, I thought the 10 speed was shifty feeling, and I didn't care for the start/stop feature at stop lights. The F150s were more expensive too. Ultimately, I decided this was the truck for me. I think it looks good without the chrome (need to do something about the door handles and mirrors). I did not test a ram or chevy mostly due to preference. I came from a 4Runner, so I have some Toyota loyalty. Gas mileage isn't really an issue since I avg maybe 7K miles per year. I can see why that's a deal breaker for some though. In the end, buy what you like. I'm happy with my purchase so far, a few days in...

Late to the party. I just picked up a 2020 Tundra. It has everything I need. Led headlights and fogs, remote start, push button start, android auto, adaptive cruise control, parking sensors. A lot of that was added with this model, and it's why I waited for 2020. I wish it had surround cams since it's relatively large, and my work parking garage is tight. A 6 foot bed would be nice, but that's not an option here. Otherwise, I'm happy. I test drove about 6 different F150 models from raptor to XLT. I didn't really want an ecoboost, and I heard the newer 5.0 was having issues. Also, I thought the 10 speed was shifty feeling, and I didn't care for the start/stop feature at stop lights. The F150s were more expensive too. Ultimately, I decided this was the truck for me. I think it looks good without the chrome (need to do something about the door handles and mirrors). I did not test a ram or chevy mostly due to preference. I came from a 4Runner, so I have some Toyota loyalty. Gas mileage isn't really an issue since I avg maybe 7K miles per year. I can see why that's a deal breaker for some though. In the end, buy what you like. I'm happy with my purchase so far, a few days in...

Late to the party. I just picked up a 2020 Tundra. It has everything I need. Led headlights and fogs, remote start, push button start, android auto, adaptive cruise control, parking sensors. A lot of that was added with this model, and it's why I waited for 2020. I wish it had surround cams since it's relatively large, and my work parking garage is tight. A 6 foot bed would be nice, but that's not an option here. Otherwise, I'm happy. I test drove about 6 different F150 models from raptor to XLT. I didn't really want an ecoboost, and I heard the newer 5.0 was having issues. Also, I thought the 10 speed was shifty feeling, and I didn't care for the start/stop feature at stop lights. The F150s were more expensive too. Ultimately, I decided this was the truck for me. I think it looks good without the chrome (need to do something about the door handles and mirrors). I did not test a ram or chevy mostly due to preference. I came from a 4Runner, so I have some Toyota loyalty. Gas mileage isn't really an issue since I avg maybe 7K miles per year. I can see why that's a deal breaker for some though. In the end, buy what you like. I'm happy with my purchase so far, a few days in...

Where do you get 25-30 from? Not even a mid-size gasser gets that. If you are talking diesel again then reduce the MPGs by 25% for the price difference in diesel plus the cost of DEF. Fuel that is.

Late to the party. I just picked up a 2020 Tundra. It has everything I need. Led headlights and fogs, remote start, push button start, android auto, adaptive cruise control, parking sensors. A lot of that was added with this model, and it's why I waited for 2020. I wish it had surround cams since it's relatively large, and my work parking garage is tight. A 6 foot bed would be nice, but that's not an option here. Otherwise, I'm happy. I test drove about 6 different F150 models from raptor to XLT. I didn't really want an ecoboost, and I heard the newer 5.0 was having issues. Also, I thought the 10 speed was shifty feeling, and I didn't care for the start/stop feature at stop lights. The F150s were more expensive too. Ultimately, I decided this was the truck for me. I think it looks good without the chrome (need to do something about the door handles and mirrors). I did not test a ram or chevy mostly due to preference. I came from a 4Runner, so I have some Toyota loyalty. Gas mileage isn't really an issue since I avg maybe 7K miles per year. I can see why that's a deal breaker for some though. In the end, buy what you like. I'm happy with my purchase so far, a few days in...