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"Is Mort Gay". Sorry .... that is SFB on display. But hey.... Keep sucking that bottle.

Would you consider ending your daily posting time with “This is S4B signing off”? That would be awesome!

Why are you firing SCUDS at Bigbob? 1Shot is the one who exposed the litany of lies you’ve told. If you won’t take accountability for what you’ve done at least choose a more situation-appropriate target for your misplaced anger.

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]Absolutely they do.


No, I don’t think that. Hence, me saying parents should parent. You blame video games, not parents who should know their kids, know what is good for their kids, take five seconds to read the rating on the front of the damn box they’re buying for their kid. Or know what their kid is doing in their room.

You’re blaming video games for kids being messed up when parents are buying them for the kids. Parents aren’t following the ratings. Parents aren’t aware of what their kids are consuming.

Parents are also handing iPads to their kids with YouTube dialed up then not paying attention to what kids click on. It’s easy to get from a kid YouTube channel to mature content, even with parental controls on. I see it with my nieces and nephews all the time.

How is that not realistic? You’re making excuses. Here is an example from my childhood. I’m the oldest of three. My sister is three years younger than me, my brother six years younger than me. When I was 13, The Simpsons was popular. I wasn’t allowed to watch it with my siblings in the room because it wasn’t appropriate (or my parents deemed it so) for my siblings to watch.

That’s called parenting. I’m not saying it easy. I’m not saying it’s not a full time job. But violent video games aren’t for young kids. Parents shouldn’t let them play them. And they shouldn’t let kids become consumed by video games of any type, either. That’s parenting.

You agree with me, but that isn’t what you’ve been saying. Parents shouldn’t let their kids play violent video games. That doesn’t mean that violent video games shouldn’t be made. Video games, in addition to other types of media and behavior, should be parented. Video games, by the way, fall under the first amendment.

Edited to add: I expect that you would have an issue with a parent giving a teenager a gun, especially if that kid went to school and shot classmates. We agree that would be bad parenting, right? So you also believe it is wrong for a parent to buy violent video games, or let them become consumed by video games and violent ones at that, right? It’s not the gun’s fault and it’s not the video game’s fault in either example.

By the way, I’ve enjoyed the discussion with you so far.

The original post was “do video games influence”
My answer was absolutely. Bad parenting is the number 1 problem with all of these young killers. The video games just compound the problem. And I think 10 fold. Yes you are right parents should do all of the things you said. But saying it is not the video game playing a part is wrong. Every single one of these young shooters was a gamer, loner, and Heavy social media user.
I also believe that these game designers have gone way to far in reality and death and should be reined in. I don’t care if you are a grown up or a teen. Spending hours and hours playing a game filled with blood and gore is messed up. But if you are and adult that is not batchit crazy have at it.
We both totally agree it is bad parenting first but the fact remains that young people are playing these games and parents are not controlling them. And there are no penalties for parents allowing it. The only penalties are for the retailer that sells to underage users. If it was alcohol the parents would be charged for allowing a child to consume so why not holding them legally accountable for allowing their kids to play adult rated games?

I think online forums have a lot to do with it. Obviously a forum created for fisherman to gather and discuss fishing is not the culprit, but when the forum is created for social outcasts to discuss their hatred for others it becomes an enabler for these kinds of things. Sites like 4chan and possibly Reddit are used as a medium for lonely, angry, mentally ill men to discuss how much their lives suck and it eventually snowballs into some crazy going off the deep end. I know people who spend more time on these sites than they do with actual human beings and you can tell it has an effect on how they interact with others in real life.

Yes damnit they do influence childrens’ brains. Cause them to shoot? Nobody can say for sure.

Left to his or her own devices, a kid will spend from 12 to 18 hours a day in front of a console. This places his still maturing brain in an alternate universe. A universe where mistakes are never realized. A universe where responsibilities are never assigned. A universe where lines are blurred between reality and fantasy. A universe where a brain that is still learning its way through life is overloaded with fantastical realities that simply overwhelms it.

The kid never stops thinking about the game. The game becomes quite real, occupying his physical reality, allowing him no room for any competing reality. Occupying his sleep, invading his dreams. It totally consumes his life.

IT IS A TERRIBLE PHYSICAL AND MENTAL ADDICTION!

If you have not seen this, you will not believe it. Your brain simply will not accept it because it is not real. Your brain was raised on reality and responsibility. Your brain knows the difference between a video game and the game of life.

That is why we as adults just can not endure playing the games. They simply bore us to death.

My son went through this. I was the only one that saw it and fought it. Everybody else rewarded his addiction by gifting him more equipment and software. ‘It makes him happy.’ I took it away, destroyed it, and made him watch me. That was real. I made sure he knew that. I alienated myself from my family on both sides to save my son from the addiction. My son hated and despised me for banning him from his preferred reality. He ended up leaving home to feed his addiction but reality finally won. A job, a car, a paycheck, a meal. Those things began to show up on his radar. He made it by the skin of his teeth.

He is in his mid thirties now and we are good. Many times when we are alone, he will want to talk about it. I think it still occupies a small corner of his brain. He tells me how bad the addiction was. He thanks me for destroying his equipment. He tells me of his thirty something friends that are still lost in the game. He just does not understand it now. His brain finally grew up and rejected the alternate reality. The game still calls him. He still tries to play occasionally but he has lost the connection and just does not ‘get it’ anymore.

I guess the endorphin rush is no longer triggered by the game and the physical addiction is gone. That part I do not understand. But something is different now.

We have been here before TFF. You all will flame me. I am old. I am slow and stupid. I am out of the main stream. I cling to my tinfoil hat. Go ahead. I know where reality is. I know what I saw. I know what my son went through as we went through it together and alone.

I hope you never have to go there. But if you must, go there armed for bear. Go there knowing that you are doing the right thing.