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Re: Texas Conservation Alert [Re: bluesea112] #13041084 01/25/19 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bluesea112
Every alligator gar that is removed from the water saves hundreds of pounds of bass, crappie, and other game fish every year.


"Last year, TPWD biologists analyzed the stomach contents of 392 gator gar collected at Falcon Lake on the Texas/Mexico border and found carp, tilapia and shad. Game fish made up 20 percent of what the gar had consumed, with largemouth bass accounting for only 8 percent. Studies at six other Texas reservoirs, dating back to 1970, showed even smaller percentages of bass in the gars diet, and theres no evidence that the big fish are having a significant impact on bass populations."

https://tpwmagazine.com/archive/2015/mar/ed_3_gar/

Originally Posted by bluesea112
Opinions are emotion based, and therefore not valid.


Fishing is emotion-based. Most don't go out there day after day just to get a meal, they go out there for the love of the fight, the fish, the outdoors. It's not just a means of getting a quick meal, it's a passion.


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Re: Texas Conservation Alert [Re: bluesea112] #13045180 01/29/19 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bluesea112
TPWD adjust fishing laws according to fact based data, so if they allow bow fishermen to shoot catfish it means there are facts backing up the fact that it would not hurt the catfish population.


TPWD has nothing to do with this. Its beimg pushed through the legislature.

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Be careful what you wish for. If trotlines went on the chopping block, there's a chance juglines could end up there with them.


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Re: Texas Conservation Alert [Re: TXMulti-Species] #13045430 01/29/19 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TXMulti-Species
If you read my post above I actually state I don't support trot lines or noodling, either. I for one would love it if the bow guys would target the smaller fish for the table, it'd make things amazing for everybody. Problem is, they target fish that are more like this:
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Alligator Gar in particular are a wakeup call. The size and numbers of fish are on the decline in a big way. Bowfishing for catfish, and indeed any fish, is not harmless. Otherwise, you guys wouldn't push so hard for it.


i knew bows were pretty ineffective & cause lots of wounds
3 arrows to kill that big blue?

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Originally Posted by butch sanders
i knew bows were pretty ineffective & cause lots of wounds
3 arrows to kill that big blue?


Just imagine the ones that they shoot that get away. eek


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Re: Texas Conservation Alert [Re: TXMulti-Species] #13095555 03/18/19 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TXMulti-Species
Originally Posted by bluesea112
Every alligator gar that is removed from the water saves hundreds of pounds of bass, crappie, and other game fish every year.


"Last year, TPWD biologists analyzed the stomach contents of 392 gator gar collected at Falcon Lake on the Texas/Mexico border and found carp, tilapia and shad. Game fish made up 20 percent of what the gar had consumed, with largemouth bass accounting for only 8 percent. Studies at six other Texas reservoirs, dating back to 1970, showed even smaller percentages of bass in the gars diet, and theres no evidence that the big fish are having a significant impact on bass populations."




So if the average gator gar weighed 40 lbs, and a gator gar eats 1/4 his weight in food every day, then those 392 gar ate 3,920 lbs of fish every day. 20% (gamefish) of 3,920 = 784 lbs of gamefish. 8% of 3,920 = 313 lbs of black bass every day. Like I said, alligator gar eat a lot of game fish.

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Assuming 25% daily feed rate would be very high. Even a rapidly growing small fish only consumes around 4% of its body weight daily. A mature fish is closer to 1%. It could still add up if there is a lot of gar.

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Originally Posted by TXMulti-Species
Nobody likes spending time, money, and effort to catch and release big, beautiful fish only to have someone else come shine a bright light in the water shooting and killing the giants. Those fish could be caught, enjoyed, and released by countless anglers and spawn countless offspring with big girl genes. Keep the bows in the forest where they belong. On the water it's all about rod and reel!


Well said indeed!

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Re: Texas Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13096746 03/19/19 01:13 PM
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I got no problem with bowfishing, as long as they follow the current restrictions. I would even be willing to support a more restrictive limit on catfish for bow fishermen.

I guarantee once they get out on these lakes late at night the homeowners will squash it.

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Re: Texas Conservation Alert [Re: TxCatfishGuide] #13096948 03/19/19 04:09 PM
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So who are the real enemies here?
It's not other fishermen, no matter what you use, it's those who are pushing for this change, and that is where the anger needs to be directed.
Just saying, that arguing back and forth on a fishing forum is preaching to the choir.
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Originally Posted by BMCD
I guarantee once they get out on these lakes late at night the homeowners will squash it.


Wishful thinking, they're already out there late at night and there's just one or two places that restrict or prevent them.

Originally Posted by Jimbo
So who are the real enemies here?
It's not other fishermen, no matter what you use, it's those who are pushing for this change, and that is where the anger needs to be directed.
Just saying, that arguing back and forth on a fishing forum is preaching to the choir.


I've gotta disagree, this is very similar to the battle over whether or not snagging is permissible. Snagging salmon even before they die after spawning is illegal in the majority of states. There are definitely ethical and unethical methods for targeting fish, and I'm not one to side with an "enemy" (IE bowfishermen) to defeat another (IE PETA).
On another note, lots of guys read the TFF and while you probably won't change someone's mind that's already made up there are a great deal of people that haven't made a decision yet. Sometimes seeing your support/opposition for an issue might just convince them 2cents


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