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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 11:31 AM
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justfishin89
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When I was in high school and college the BASS Pro's were often guys who had regular jobs and also fished on the top tour level. These were regular middle class guys with a dream. Also, there are very few sponsors out there anymore who really support the tour level guys. Before the last major recession it seemed like good sponsors were everywhere. After the recession was over and things came back financially it seems like the companies went to the "pro staff" format of really just giving discounts to people who will advertise for them on social media. Now it seems like every other weekend tournament guy to the YouTube bank fishermen are now "Pro Staff." Because of this the companies get their advertisement for basically free. So is professional bass fishing really just for the wealthy or have the grass roots guys devalued the sponsorships so much that the top local guys cannot obtain legitimate sponsorships to be able to try to go pro? If we have caused this ourselves by so many weekenders becoming "Pro Staff", how can we correct the problem? I fall into the category of "Pro Staff" and here is my $0.02 As Ken Said there are many levels of "pro staff" and also as he said keep in mind that the "pro" is for Promotional. Companies offer discounts on products or free stuff in return for advertising. I personally 100% disagree that there is a shortage of companies who will be good sponsors, go on YouTube or go to an event and read Jerseys and see the 100's of different companies including a ton of non fishing related ones that contribute to our sport. As far as "the top local guys cannot obtain legitimate sponsorships to be able to try to go pro", I would say more often then not guys aren't getting sponsors for winning local tournaments then trying to "Go Pro". Your missing a few steps there. The "Tour Pro" is on a National level. Next if the local angler is winning enough at the local level he should be able to save enough money to compete in the next level, which would be the BFL. Then he can continue to move up the chain towards being a full time pro. Bottom line: A Tour Pro is the person who is not only a great fisherman, but has decided that he will make whatever sacrifices he has to in pursuit of his dream. Its a hard dream to follow and dreams don't always come true, its not for everyone. I don't think "Pro Staffers" are hurting the sport, by promoting products and bringing more people and revenue into the industry. Start winning tournaments and you will start getting sponsors.
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 12:47 PM
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206champion
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 01:17 PM
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WAWI
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It is for the wealthy. Most of the rest are wasting their time and money. The wealthy just have more time and money to waste.
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: Cameron]
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09/04/18 02:10 PM
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FlatBack4
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There is a lot more to bass fishing than tournaments. I think most weekend warriors would be hard pressed to name 10 current pro anglers...
Funny, I can't name 10 weekend warriors who would care.
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 02:12 PM
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Douglas J
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Some people look really stupid (in my opinion) and do not realize it, but at the end of the day that is their choice. Why ask why, drink Bud Dry
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 03:26 PM
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OldChamp
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So is professional bass fishing really just for the wealthy... Basically yes. IMO - the bass fishing/bass boat/engine/tackle industry including big tournament organizations are able to tap into a revenue stream fueled by male bass fisherman's psyche and their desire to live their dream to fish for living. Problem is for by far the most the dream can become a nightmare with the high costs unless they're wealthy. $100K boats plus a tow vehicle plus $100K/yr for expenses, etc. to fish pro & major qualifying circuits for the other guy's entry fees, The industry is refocusing some of their revenue stream development by encouraging and tapping into that psyche by the industries involvement in tournament angling for the younger high school/college age anglers while at same time throwing major circuit co-anglers over the side. More young impressionable guys will become starry-eyed and go deep into debt and sacrifice some of their future to try and live the dream perpetuated by the industry.
Last edited by OldChamp; 09/04/18 07:56 PM.
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: ToasterWEyes]
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09/04/18 03:33 PM
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SC-001
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Generation Ritalin...
Haha, how do you think junk fishing got started
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: OldChamp]
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09/04/18 05:27 PM
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joebass2
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So is professional bass fishing really just for the wealthy... Basically yes. IMO - the bass fishing/bass boat/engine/tackle industry including big tournament organizations are able to tap into a revenue stream from the male bass fisherman's psyche and their desire to live their dream to fish for living. Problem is for by far the most the dream can become a nightmare with the high costs unless they're wealthy. $100K boats plus a tow vehicle plus $100K/yr for expenses, etc. to fish pro & major qualifying circuits for the other guy's entry fees, The industry is refocusing some of their revenue stream development by encouraging and tapping into that psyche by the industries involvement in tournament angling for the younger high school/college age anglers while at same time throwing major circuit co-anglers over the side. More young impressionable guys will become starry-eyed and go deep into debt and sacrifice some of their future to try and live the dream perpetuated by the industry. Lotta solid points here
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: FlatBack4]
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09/04/18 06:45 PM
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Cameron
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There is a lot more to bass fishing than tournaments. I think most weekend warriors would be hard pressed to name 10 current pro anglers...
Funny, I can't name 10 weekend warriors who would care. exactly
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 07:18 PM
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TxRanger1
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I recently got into the pro staff category and landed Whataburger. It was easy. I stopped in and purchased a burger and they gave me "free" ketchup. Since it was free, I am thinking they are my main sponsor right now.
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: RKT]
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09/04/18 08:02 PM
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retdbasser
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I think I made the Senior Whataburger Pro Staff. Stop in there after coming off the lake and get a free drink with a sandwich purchase or free coffee with a breakfast order before going out.
Prepare for the future-it will be here tomorrow. Personal Best Large Mouth Bass 9 lbs. 12 oz 5/13/19. Herb Stein, who famously reminded us that โif something canโt go on forever, it will stop.โ
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: retdbasser]
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09/04/18 08:35 PM
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Skunked Again Fishing
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I think I made the Senior Whataburger Pro Staff. Stop in there after coming off the lake and get a free drink with a sandwich purchase or free coffee with a breakfast order before going out. I'm sponsored by Whataburger too, but wear their logo on me 24/7 as a fulltime "pro". OK some people call it my gut, but it is very obviously Whataburger sponsored. Tim
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
[Re: WAWI]
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09/04/18 08:55 PM
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lconn4
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It is for the wealthy. Most of the rest are wasting their time and money. The wealthy just have more time and money to waste. So true... and many will have to learn that lesson with what used to be their own dime.
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Re: Are we killing our own sport on the professional level?
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09/04/18 09:20 PM
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ChuChu1
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It is no longer a sport at the professional level, it is a business.
Snowflakes and entitled brats will be the doom of America!
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