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 Re: Bass Facts And Myths
[Re: Fast Lane]
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06/02/18 10:28 AM
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They see shad, bluegill,crawfish ect..everyday....they still eat them... Those shad, bluegill, crawfish, etc. don't have hooks in them and throw them in a boat when they eat them either. 
I am a Senager. (Senior teenager) I have everything that I wanted as a teenager, only 50 years later. I get an allowance every month. I have PU truck and a bass boat, I am blessed.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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06/02/18 11:23 AM
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David Rush
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I have a 15 minute memory also, but there are certain things Ive learned not to do again.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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06/02/18 01:37 PM
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Ken A.
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I have a 15 minute memory also, but there are certain things Ive learned not to do again. Post of the Day!! 
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/13/18 11:39 PM
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Fast Lane
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They see shad, bluegill,crawfish ect..everyday....they still eat them... Those shad, bluegill, crawfish, etc. don't have hooks in them and throw them in a boat when they eat them either. No but they have fins and pinchers;)
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/13/18 11:41 PM
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Fast Lane
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They see shad, bluegill,crawfish ect..everyday....they still eat them... Those shad, bluegill, crawfish, etc. don't have hooks in them and throw them in a boat when they eat them either. Yet they are caught over and over and over....
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
[Re: msbcguy]
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08/14/18 12:27 AM
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Ted Martin
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nobody knows for sure but the bass. and they ain't talkin' 
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
[Re: msbcguy]
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08/14/18 01:11 AM
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John Peebles
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In my experience there are bass that will bite lures day after day, bass that will bite lures once or twice but never again and bass that will never bite a lure. I had a 3 acre pond that I fished almost daily, I thought I had caught just about all the bass in there at least once, I even starting tagging, marking and naming them. I invited a friend to come fish with me one day, he fished live bait and caught several bass that day and several other days that I had never seen, marked or tagged or named. That really opened my eyes as to the fact that there are bass that are "smart" enough to never bite a lure.
As we remove those that will bite anything, we narrow the gene pool to the smarter fish that rarely bite lures or won't bite them at all.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
[Re: Mark Perry]
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08/14/18 01:18 AM
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Frank the Tank
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Depends on if you think everything Mr. Lusk says is the gospel. Not saying he us wrong but fish don't always read the books and watch the same Youtube videos we do. If they did then everyone would catch them big every trip out.
I'm sure its great information but just being honest I've never heard of the guy tbat I recall.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/14/18 01:21 AM
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Frank the Tank
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I think Pros weights drop because they tend to "fish out" a spot. Most lock on a pattern and ride it to death. Catch rates are 3-5 times higher per hour on Wednesdays vs, Saturdays Steez. You seem like a good dude. Hope to meet you someday. I'll show you the data and win you over yet! Easy JP..... taps the breaks there bud
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/14/18 02:27 AM
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I think Pros weights drop because they tend to "fish out" a spot. Most lock on a pattern and ride it to death. Catch rates are 3-5 times higher per hour on Wednesdays vs, Saturdays Steez. You seem like a good dude. Hope to meet you someday. I'll show you the data and win you over yet! Easy JP..... taps the breaks there bud I can never be won over. But, I'd be glad to fish with either of you two whenever y'all want.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/14/18 03:44 AM
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Frank the Tank
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I think Pros weights drop because they tend to "fish out" a spot. Most lock on a pattern and ride it to death. Catch rates are 3-5 times higher per hour on Wednesdays vs, Saturdays Steez. You seem like a good dude. Hope to meet you someday. I'll show you the data and win you over yet! Easy JP..... taps the breaks there bud I can never be won over. But, I'd be glad to fish with either of you two whenever y'all want.
Jesus loves all of us
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/14/18 03:57 AM
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Pressure absolutely matters. In fact it matters more than anything else. I've seen this with statistical certainty across many data sets. If pressure didn't matter you wouldn't see the pro's with lighter weights on day 3 or 4 90% of the time as compared to day 1.
Now in terms of memory, in my opinion Lusk is wrong. Go find 10 bass on a beds in the spring. Stick each one and time how long it takes you on average. Then go back 1 day later and try and stick those same bass and see how long it takes you. If a person could do this, it would be pretty clear those fish take longer to catch the second time around. It's because they "remember" getting stuck.
I think we as fishermen often do give the fish too much credit, but there is zero doubt in my mind they can become conditioned to anglers, lures, and pressure. This is also extremely clear in the data. The effectiveness of new lures goes down over time on most bodies of water. I'm sure some of the old timers could tell you crazy stories of how effective spinnerbaits used to be as compared to now. Having fished Fork since 1986 in all seasons under all conditions I agree with you 100%. When I first started all you needed was a T-rigged black/blue worm. Now you better be prepared to use every lure/technique and electronics available. Even the most experienced guides that fish the lake daily have slow days. Not discounting luck because it can happen but to be consistent you need to understand how to pattern the fish under all types of weather, conditions and pressure. Most of all you need patience, persistence and dedication. Oh, and a little luck. The biologists records also showed how the fish quit growing as much the more they were caught. Is there a 19-20+ pound female swimming amid the waters of Fork (during the Winter-Spring of course) or have they all been "stunted" or have other factors played into it's "demise"? I use the word "demise" loosely as at one time it was hailed as holding the next World Record class fish and yet it hasn't happened. Something similar could be said about Casitas and Castiac in California as the Wildlife peeps out there stopped stocking Rainbow Trout years ago and there hasn't been a 20+ caught in a while.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
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08/14/18 04:51 AM
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For those that dont believe pressure affects catch rates, have never seen all the filleted heads at docks on Toledo. It definitely affects catch rate there.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
[Re: Jake Shannon(Skeet4Life)]
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08/14/18 10:52 AM
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John175☮
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"Fishing pressure" is a made up term to make an average angler feel good about not catching fish. Yes its my favorite excuse right below the wind, weather, lure, line and my boat not being fast enough! Boat not being fast enough is not an excuse. It's a fact.
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Re: Bass Facts And Myths
[Re: BigDozer66]
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08/14/18 12:13 PM
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GIG'EM AGGIES
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Pressure absolutely matters. In fact it matters more than anything else. I've seen this with statistical certainty across many data sets. If pressure didn't matter you wouldn't see the pro's with lighter weights on day 3 or 4 90% of the time as compared to day 1.
Now in terms of memory, in my opinion Lusk is wrong. Go find 10 bass on a beds in the spring. Stick each one and time how long it takes you on average. Then go back 1 day later and try and stick those same bass and see how long it takes you. If a person could do this, it would be pretty clear those fish take longer to catch the second time around. It's because they "remember" getting stuck.
I think we as fishermen often do give the fish too much credit, but there is zero doubt in my mind they can become conditioned to anglers, lures, and pressure. This is also extremely clear in the data. The effectiveness of new lures goes down over time on most bodies of water. I'm sure some of the old timers could tell you crazy stories of how effective spinnerbaits used to be as compared to now. Having fished Fork since 1986 in all seasons under all conditions I agree with you 100%. When I first started all you needed was a T-rigged black/blue worm. Now you better be prepared to use every lure/technique and electronics available. Even the most experienced guides that fish the lake daily have slow days. Not discounting luck because it can happen but to be consistent you need to understand how to pattern the fish under all types of weather, conditions and pressure. Most of all you need patience, persistence and dedication. Oh, and a little luck. The biologists records also showed how the fish quit growing as much the more they were caught. Is there a 19-20+ pound female swimming amid the waters of Fork (during the Winter-Spring of course) or have they all been "stunted" or have other factors played into it's "demise"? I use the word "demise" loosely as at one time it was hailed as holding the next World Record class fish and yet it hasn't happened. Something similar could be said about Casitas and Castiac in California as the Wildlife peeps out there stopped stocking Rainbow Trout years ago and there hasn't been a 20+ caught in a while. I think you're on to something there Big, wouldn't know the exact percentage but saying there are 50% more anglers now since 2000 wouldn't be an exaggeration. Even the big bass lakes in Mexico haven't produced a 20 pounder. Camelot Bell, the prolific bass factory here in Texas hasn't produced a bass over 15 pounds which by the way was caught by Ken A. Bass may have a pea sized brain but it would make sense to me that after the trauma of being hooked, fighting for their life, being handled and photographed they couldn't help but be affected in some way. Electronics, better tackle, better boats and better and more anglers and more tournaments absolutely have increased pressure on our resource. Whether, if or when we see another 20 pounder remains to be seen but I'm not holding my breath. Still a lot of 13-14 pounders out there and that's good enough to keep angler's buying more boats, tackle and spending more time fishing. I'd like to catch another 14 pounder.
I am a Senager. (Senior teenager) I have everything that I wanted as a teenager, only 50 years later. I get an allowance every month. I have PU truck and a bass boat, I am blessed.
Conscience never acquits, it either accuses or excuses.
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