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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: shooter920]
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08/10/18 02:58 PM
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921 Phoenix
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Business get bought up all the time to get rid of competition. I think Randy got offered a good deal and he sold. He had JM and Vexus people bidding a good position to be in. Good for Randy.
I have owned Skeeter 20I, VX521 and Z522 Ranger. The 921 Phoenix is by far the softest riding boat I was ever in. The guides I have used had FX21 and they were not even in the same class as for ride. The lay out is personal preference for any brand. I have been to the Skeeter factory and seen boats being warranty with new hulls being put back under them. The consoles of the Phoenix can be change out to different styles or if you just need a new one.
I could run my Phoenix 921 up to 75 with two men and tackle you just have to get use to driving a Phoenix just like in a Bass Cat or other high performance boats. Yes the Rangers and Skeeter are point and go and there is nothing wrong with that. They just won't run or ride with some other brands.
The are some great brands and people can buy what they like but just because someone says a Skeeter is a better ride its just not true if you know how to drive the Phoenix. Rick,with Bass Cat, says it best when you are talking ride in different brands you need to be diving at the same speed. You should not compare a 68 MPH top end boat to a 75 MPH boat. You should put both boats at same MPH then see the out come.
Phoenix is a well run company and it isn't running like other brands it can go through a down turn because of management. They run the company with cash on hand and without over running cash. They are selling a lot of boats and more then Legend ever did. There is dealers in DFW, Longview, and Vidor tX that I know of all within a few hundred miles of Dallas. The other two where in business before FunNSun.
The dealer at Longview has great service. I know a dealer around lake Fork that wanted Phoenix but they just couldn't get them so his SECOND choice was Skeeter.
Phoenix can't keep up with dealers and can not take on any new ones because of it right now. The last number I have seen is Phoenix is around 700 boats a year now and limited in space to grow. That is where a huge amount of Legends business went to. I wish Legend was still here its one of the best looking boats for sure, fish out of a buddies 211 for years great boat. He is and old guide and he gets to drive a clients boat from time to time that is a Phoenix 921 and like most he says its the best riding boat and nothing is close.
I guess everyone has their own opinion about boats but if you look at the big picture it becomes more clear. I will like to see the number of boats build each year by Phoenix, Skeeter, and Ranger of just their Bass Boats and see what the number is without the walleye, runabouts and bay/offshore boats and see how Phoenix stacks up to them considering they have only been making Phoenix boats since about 2009.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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08/10/18 03:00 PM
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An experienced driver can make a 21ft boat ride better than it really is. When my partner had a 193 champion we routinely passed 21ft boats in rough weather. Truth is most guys are fair weather fisherman. It's night and day difference when it comes to experienced versus novice. This is very true. ^^^ Take that guy and put in both boats on same day then you get a better comparison.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: Chris G]
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08/10/18 03:07 PM
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I always love when these boat brand pissing matches get fired up. A-holes, elbows and opinions.....we all have them. And this all started with a guy saying he wanted to buy a new Legend but was having trouble trying to find one and was asking for help. Texas= Skeeter/Ranger country for as long as I can remember, and probably always will be. And that's just fine by me. So the 2 largest glass bass boat builders....go figure. Legend was really making its mark around NE Texas and in some other areas where they had pretty dense coverage due to some great dealer and owner loyalty. They also made the best boat out there for ME. However, as its been said over and over again, they decided the offer made to them was too good to be turned down. Any business owner has a number, it's a big reason why you build a company. I don't have access to the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet Nitro sells more glass boats nationwide than either Ranger or Skeeter. And I agree with you and the principals of Legend........everyone has a number. Good on 'em for getting it.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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08/10/18 03:12 PM
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An experienced driver can make a 21ft boat ride better than it really is. When my partner had a 193 champion we routinely passed 21ft boats in rough weather. Truth is most guys are fair weather fisherman. It's night and day difference when it comes to experienced versus novice. This is very true. ^^^ Take that guy and put in both boats on same day then you get a better comparison. I couldn't agree more! I was literally in the PHX one morning, and a FX21le that same afternoon. That was the day we made the decision to go back to Skeeter.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: Walls]
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08/10/18 03:19 PM
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I always love when these boat brand pissing matches get fired up. A-holes, elbows and opinions.....we all have them. And this all started with a guy saying he wanted to buy a new Legend but was having trouble trying to find one and was asking for help. Texas= Skeeter/Ranger country for as long as I can remember, and probably always will be. And that's just fine by me. So the 2 largest glass bass boat builders....go figure. Legend was really making its mark around NE Texas and in some other areas where they had pretty dense coverage due to some great dealer and owner loyalty. They also made the best boat out there for ME. However, as its been said over and over again, they decided the offer made to them was too good to be turned down. Any business owner has a number, it's a big reason why you build a company. I don't have access to the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet Nitro sells more glass boats nationwide than either Ranger or Skeeter. And I agree with you and the principals of Legend........everyone has a number. Good on 'em for getting it. Ranger sells the most by a large margin, I used to have the sales chart over the last few years and it wasnt even close.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: shooter920]
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08/10/18 03:40 PM
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Texas= Skeeter/Ranger country for as long as I can remember, and probably always will be. And that's just fine by me. [/quote]
So the 2 largest glass bass boat builders....go figure. Legend was really making its mark around NE Texas and in some other areas where they had pretty dense coverage due to some great dealer and owner loyalty. They also made the best boat out there for ME. However, as its been said over and over again, they decided the offer made to them was too good to be turned down. Any business owner has a number, it's a big reason why you build a company.[/quote]
I don't have access to the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet Nitro sells more glass boats nationwide than either Ranger or Skeeter. And I agree with you and the principals of Legend........everyone has a number. Good on 'em for getting it. [/quote]
Ranger sells the most by a large margin, I used to have the sales chart over the last few years and it wasnt even close. [/quote]
yes my point is if you go to just bass boats and not all sales it will be much closer. the numbers for all boats is ranger is about 3 times more then Phoenix but their numbers include all the models not just bass boats, I have never seen one with just bass boats.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: Sinkey]
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08/10/18 03:44 PM
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An experienced driver can make a 21ft boat ride better than it really is. When my partner had a 193 champion we routinely passed 21ft boats in rough weather. Truth is most guys are fair weather fisherman. It's night and day difference when it comes to experienced versus novice. This is very true. ^^^ Take that guy and put in both boats on same day then you get a better comparison. I couldn't agree more! I was literally in the PHX one morning, and a FX21le that same afternoon. That was the day we made the decision to go back to Skeeter. Yes Sinkey sorry you had bad experience with Phoenix but a lot of us and most who buy Phoenix chose the brand for the very reasons you got out so a lot of us disagree with you. I wish you all the best on your new ride you will enjoy it since its what you want. I don't like Skeeter so I would never be happy with them. just different needs and wants out of a boat. They sell a lot of boats to EX skeeter owners and I am sure skeeter gets some back. These are all the resaons I tell people to drive in rough conditions before you buy.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: 921 Phoenix]
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08/10/18 03:54 PM
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Sinkey
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An experienced driver can make a 21ft boat ride better than it really is. When my partner had a 193 champion we routinely passed 21ft boats in rough weather. Truth is most guys are fair weather fisherman. It's night and day difference when it comes to experienced versus novice. This is very true. ^^^ Take that guy and put in both boats on same day then you get a better comparison. I couldn't agree more! I was literally in the PHX one morning, and a FX21le that same afternoon. That was the day we made the decision to go back to Skeeter. Yes Sinkey sorry you had bad experience with Phoenix but a lot of us and most who buy Phoenix chose the brand for the very reasons you got out so a lot of us disagree with you. I wish you all the best on your new ride you will enjoy it since its what you want. I don't like Skeeter so I would never be happy with them. just different needs and wants out of a boat. They sell a lot of boats to EX skeeter owners and I am sure skeeter gets some back. These are all the resaons I tell people to drive in rough conditions before you buy. Couldn't agree with you more bud. Bottom line is we are happy now.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: shooter920]
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08/10/18 05:39 PM
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Txduckhunter
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Boats are a whole lot like women - they all ride different but you can still love all of them..
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: Txduckhunter]
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08/10/18 06:13 PM
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Happykamper
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I can tell you right now my Triton 21 TRX will ride better and out run most by God !!!!! 
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: shooter920]
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08/10/18 09:45 PM
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I haven't ridden in any 21' boats so I have no comment about the ride but based on the looks and the way it's rigged I would be tempted to buy the new Skeeter Apex. For $78,000 you get a fully rigged boat with Ultrex, !5" and 12" Solix, twin poles, hyd. jack plate, oversized tires and wheels and the new Skeeter trailer. I mean that would be hard to beat. 
I am a Senager. (Senior teenager) I have everything that I wanted as a teenager, only 50 years later. I get an allowance every month. I have PU truck and a bass boat, I am blessed. Conscience never acquits, it either accuses or excuses.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: shooter920]
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08/10/18 09:45 PM
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[quote=Chris GI] always love when these boat brand pissing matches get fired up. A-holes, elbows and opinions.....we all have them. And this all started with a guy saying he wanted to buy a new Legend but was having trouble trying to find one and was asking for help.[/quot]
Texas= Skeeter/Ranger country for as long as I can remember, and probably always will be. And that's just fine by me. So the 2 largest glass bass boat builders....go figure. Legend was really making its mark around NE Texas and in some other areas where they had pretty dense coverage due to some great dealer and owner loyalty. They also made the best boat out there for ME. However, as its been said over and over again, they decided the offer made to them was too good to be turned down. Any business owner has a number, it's a big reason why you build a company. I don't have access to the numbers, but I'd be willing to bet Nitro sells more glass boats nationwide than either Ranger or Skeeter. And I agree with you and the principals of Legend........everyone has a number. Good on 'em for getting it. Ranger sells the most by a large margin, I used to have the sales chart over the last few years and it wasnt even close. I think that will change over time now that Johnny Morris owns them, Nitro/Tracker will always be his #1, you look at that graph up there and Ranger sells went down by almost 10% last year, but Nitro went down too. As far as that 1 Procraft sold LOL.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: shooter920]
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08/11/18 12:03 AM
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Just sharing my opinion. Last three boats were a Champion 202, Champion 206 and now a Phoenix 921. My son and I rode in a Triton TRX 20, Ranger 522, Skeeter FX 21 and Skeeter FX 20 before deciding on the Phoenix. Primary reason was we spend around 75 days a year on Rayburn and Toledo and the Phoenix was the only one that seemed just as good in the big stuff as a champ. I agree driver can make a difference but when its blowing 15-25 on Rayburn Im very pleased with the Phoenix.
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Re: Legend dealers
[Re: Hunter's Dad]
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08/11/18 01:15 AM
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Happykamper
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Just sharing my opinion. Last three boats were a Champion 202, Champion 206 and now a Phoenix 921. My son and I rode in a Triton TRX 20, Ranger 522, Skeeter FX 21 and Skeeter FX 20 before deciding on the Phoenix. Primary reason was we spend around 75 days a year on Rayburn and Toledo and the Phoenix was the only one that seemed just as good in the big stuff as a champ. I agree driver can make a difference but when its blowing 15-25 on Rayburn Im very pleased with the Phoenix. That Phoenix is a 21 footer correct ? Just noticed the Triton and Skeeter were 20's. To me the ride of a boat is about 20 percent of why I would buy it, performance, layout, fishability, and quality makes up the other 80 %, in my estimation there are probably at least 10 boats that are made that can do everything I would want in a boat, so it comes down to looks and how close the dealer is for me.
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