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Re: Water Column [Re: Spiderman] #12803970 06/24/18 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Spiderman
That was good Leanin Post.

The tip about watching the depth of fish as you idle across the lake is a good one. I have usually done this and started on brushpiles in that depth of water with great success.



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yes, if you see nothing, theres a good chance everything is hugging the bottom or real tight to cover. if you go scan 5 brushpiles and see nothing, then you have likely found them. they can sit so tight to brush or to the bottom, you just cant see them on sonar. this can be good though, because many folks will just pass them up, and go trailer the boat. you though, you will catch fish, because you know what is going on.

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Re: Water Column [Re: Mac817] #12804259 06/25/18 07:37 AM
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bangto unlearn is way harder than to learn. some folks can do neather!!! me myself cant spell. sorry thumb

Re: Water Column [Re: leanin post] #12809857 06/29/18 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted By: leanin post
during the summer they stay in areas that they find comfortable and the amount of ultra violet light penetration has alot to do with this. many folks wrongfully believe that the upper 10 feet of water column is cooler in the morning and the fish are therefore suspended, but that is not the case, same as with docks, the water under a dock is no cooler than water exposed to the sun, the molecules in the water are continuously mixing and the lake water temp is relatively the same throughout the lake. you as a human feel cooler and yes you are cooler due to being blocked from the exposure of the sun, the uv light isnt as intense is why they are suspended shallower. If you dont believe this, then next time your out on the lake, hop out of your boat on the sunny side under a bridge, then swim thru the shaded side, you will see that the water temp is the same. or go swim near a boat dock. stick your legs or arms under the dock... you will not notice a difference in the temp.. crappie primarily do most of thier feeding at night, they leave places they are resting , school up, and roam the lake looking for schools of shad. at daybreak, they disperse into small schools and gather to rest in areas they find suitable, that usually has structure or cover for them to relate to. it gives them a sense of security. during daylight hours a tiny animal called daphnias, kind of drift around the lake by the millions, moving up and down in the water column, according to.... wait for it... YES the UV light penetration, and available plankton for them to feed on. Crappie and other fish eat these tiny animals, as go some baitfish. its all a big cycle, it starts with the plankton, and everything is trying to eat .dont get too caught up in tempertures. the only thing that matters temperture wise, is really not even the temp, but what occurs due to the temp, and that is the thermocline, which is an oxygen void zone that fish cannot survive in. usually when you launch your boat and start looking at your sonar, you will see a " life line" as you motor around the lake. this will be baitfish, plankton, gamefish, ect that seem to be inhabiting a certain water column, it may be a strip from 12 feet to 20 feet. it may be from the surface down to 10 feet. it may be right on the bottom. once you find out where this " life line" is , you will notice that most of the lake is like this, I believe what it is, is the plankton, daphnia, baitfish, gamefish find it comfortable to them at that specific depth, because of the factors mentioned above. once you locate this life line, it is a good place to start fishing. you atl least know that there are fish where you are fishing, and that is a mandatory prerequisite in the puzzle.



Water conduction and molecules mixing all make sense until I get to thinking about the water temperature difference at the thermocline. Spent may hours diving in fresh water and what we always described as the thermocline would have a very distinct temperature difference 10-15 degrees drop at a very specific depth. Get down to that exact depth and the water was always much colder. Sometimes in the middle of the summer you could go down another 20-30 feet and find another "thermocline". Was always puzzled as to why the water temps didn't mix. So water conduction and molecules mixing didn't seem to happen at these depths.

Re: Water Column [Re: Mac817] #12810487 06/29/18 06:23 PM
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Exactly this ^^
For those who haven't been scuba diving or dropped a temp probe down to 15-30 ft in the summer, you would think the water is always mixing. But that's not what a temp probe will reveal. Right below the thermocline, water temp drops 10+ degrees. And drops again after 25-30 ft.
Cold water sinks just as cold air does.
It's cooler but is without oxygen. On large open lakes that are wide, the thermocline may be 15-20 ft deep in summer since these lakes catch more wind and wave action. Smaller lakes and narrow lakes, the thermocline is usually 10-14 ft.
In late fall when fishermen talk about a lake turning over, the top layer of water has finally cooled and become cooler than the next layer down. The top layer sinks thru the next layer and mixes. Oxygen is now dispersed over a larger area in the water column and the fish can now move through it and survive. Hence the bait and fish scatter from their summer locations.


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Re: Water Column [Re: Big'n On Jig'n] #12810594 06/29/18 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted By: leanin post
during the summer they stay in areas that they find comfortable and the amount of ultra violet light penetration has alot to do with this. many folks wrongfully believe that the upper 10 feet of water column is cooler in the morning and the fish are therefore suspended, but that is not the case, same as with docks, the water under a dock is no cooler than water exposed to the sun, the molecules in the water are continuously mixing and the lake water temp is relatively the same throughout the lake. you as a human feel cooler and yes you are cooler due to being blocked from the exposure of the sun, the uv light isnt as intense is why they are suspended shallower. If you dont believe this, then next time your out on the lake, hop out of your boat on the sunny side under a bridge, then swim thru the shaded side, you will see that the water temp is the same. or go swim near a boat dock. stick your legs or arms under the dock... you will not notice a difference in the temp.. crappie primarily do most of thier feeding at night, they leave places they are resting , school up, and roam the lake looking for schools of shad. at daybreak, they disperse into small schools and gather to rest in areas they find suitable, that usually has structure or cover for them to relate to. it gives them a sense of security. during daylight hours a tiny animal called daphnias, kind of drift around the lake by the millions, moving up and down in the water column, according to.... wait for it... YES the UV light penetration, and available plankton for them to feed on. Crappie and other fish eat these tiny animals, as go some baitfish. its all a big cycle, it starts with the plankton, and everything is trying to eat .dont get too caught up in tempertures. the only thing that matters temperture wise, is really not even the temp, but what occurs due to the temp, and that is the thermocline, which is an oxygen void zone that fish cannot survive in. usually when you launch your boat and start looking at your sonar, you will see a " life line" as you motor around the lake. this will be baitfish, plankton, gamefish, ect that seem to be inhabiting a certain water column, it may be a strip from 12 feet to 20 feet. it may be from the surface down to 10 feet. it may be right on the bottom. once you find out where this " life line" is , you will notice that most of the lake is like this, I believe what it is, is the plankton, daphnia, baitfish, gamefish find it comfortable to them at that specific depth, because of the factors mentioned above. once you locate this life line, it is a good place to start fishing. you atl least know that there are fish where you are fishing, and that is a mandatory prerequisite in the puzzle.



Water conduction and molecules mixing all make sense until I get to thinking about the water temperature difference at the thermocline. Spent may hours diving in fresh water and what we always described as the thermocline would have a very distinct temperature difference 10-15 degrees drop at a very specific depth. Get down to that exact depth and the water was always much colder. Sometimes in the middle of the summer you could go down another 20-30 feet and find another "thermocline". Was always puzzled as to why the water temps didn't mix. So water conduction and molecules mixing didn't seem to happen at these depths.



ALWAYS going to be the naysayers..
I quote " we always described as the thermocline would have a very distinct temperature difference 10-15 degrees drop at a very specific depth""

YET YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THIS SPECIFIC EXACT DEPTH IS? that is astounding..


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Re: Water Column [Re: Mac817] #12810610 06/29/18 07:52 PM
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What im referring to is NOT the thermocline, were talking abt brush and docks in 20 feet or less.
you know this,. but are just looking for an angle to try and say different. I got the same pushbacks when debunking the spawning myths that many had been repeating for decades. its all good. there are those who believe and those who dont. do your own research and come to your own conclusions.


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Re: Water Column [Re: Mac817] #12811206 06/30/18 06:02 AM
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Sorry LP, obviously didn't choose my words carefully enough. Appreciate all you share. Wasn't looking for an angle. My simple mind was just looking for an understanding.
Meant no disrespect Sir!

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