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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: Douglas J]
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03/15/18 01:01 PM
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filmsguy
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If there were a total of 142 entries paid that is how many "teams or entries" you had, not the 113. The number of paid entries represents the "teams", not the actual number of teams.
I think perhaps the moral of the story is to ask a few questions and when you do not do good enough to get paid then just move on to the next one and try again.
One can always twist figures to make it look like they got the shaft. Doug... Doug... Do you understand that there were 113 teams that participated in the 2 tournaments? 142 is the number that includes double entries. There were physically 113 teams that fished the 2 tournaments. It's hard for me to understand why that isn't the number that matters. In my opinion, when 113 teams fish... 22 of those teams should cash a check. No twisted figures here.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: filmsguy]
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03/15/18 01:04 PM
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Douglas J
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You weighed in 8.60 and finished in 20th place, 5 spots out in the JC Tournament. Not a bad bag but you most likely wouldn't have gotten a check if it wasn't a double up tournament anyways. Almost all the names in the top 15 are regulars to the JC trail. Thw 1st Media event paid a total of 11 places with 56 total teams. Anyways good luck next time... We knew we were in the gray zone we came to weigh in. That is not the issue. You stated that almost all of the names in the top 15 are JC regulars. You should have also noted that almost all of the names in the top 15 are identical to the top 15 in the Media tournament. My point is this.....113 teams fished in these 2 tournaments (not duplicates, real 2-angler teams). Only 16 of these teams took home money. So, I think it's fair to let other tournament anglers know how the weighing of 2 fish in a tournament change the payback ratio. 142 paid entries = 142 teams Total paid between the 2 was 28 out of 142 teams (paid entries) that is 1 in 5 teams paid out the 113 figure seems to be your hang up, it shouldn't be, it means nothing It looks like you've tried to twist it in a way that it appears you've gotten the short end of the deal. But it's hard to argue simple math, it's just numbers which are all right here in front of you 
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: filmsguy]
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03/15/18 01:04 PM
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You say you're not bashing Media or JC outdoors yet you post this here and many other posts on their facebook page as well. One of the post you even state that some teams had 3 anglers in the boat? You gorcorrected there as well. Spend more time pre-fishing and less time bit... I go fishing to get away from the drama.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:06 PM
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:08 PM
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You weighed in 8.60 and finished in 20th place, 5 spots out in the JC Tournament. Not a bad bag but you most likely wouldn't have gotten a check if it wasn't a double up tournament anyways. Almost all the names in the top 15 are regulars to the JC trail. Thw 1st Media event paid a total of 11 places with 56 total teams. Anyways good luck next time... We knew we were in the gray zone we came to weigh in. That is not the issue. You stated that almost all of the names in the top 15 are JC regulars. You should have also noted that almost all of the names in the top 15 are identical to the top 15 in the Media tournament. My point is this.....113 teams fished in these 2 tournaments (not duplicates, real 2-angler teams). Only 16 of these teams took home money. So, I think it's fair to let other tournament anglers know how the weighing of 2 fish in a tournament change the payback ratio. You are still mis-stating facts to fit your narrative. They dont pay back 1:5 based on the number of distinct teams. They pay back 1:5 based on the number of entries. 28 entries were paid, it doesnt matter if they paid for one tournament or two, their entry fee was paid for the tournament they won. It appears you are the only one in this themread that feels anything was amiss. Your warning is falling on deaf ears, because people are seeing the statistics in the correct manner, and not discounting the 16 that received two checks. If you had two jobs, would you expect your second employer to not pay you because you were paid by your first?
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: filmsguy]
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03/15/18 01:11 PM
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The problem is you are looking at this as one tournament because there was only one weigh in. This was two separate tournaments with each tournament having its own entry fee. JC had 76 teams and paid out 1 place for every 5 entries. Media had 66 teams and paid out 1 place for every 5 entries. The proper amount of places were paid for each individual tournament and thats the facts you speak of.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:11 PM
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You say you're not bashing Media or JC outdoors yet you post this here and many other posts on their facebook page as well. One of the post you even state that some teams had 3 anglers in the boat? You gorcorrected there as well. Spend more time pre-fishing and less time bitc... I go fishing to get away from the drama. Wow. You may want to go back and read the FB post again. I was wondering why there were different names on the tournament results for the same bag of fish, in the 2 tournaments. And no, not bashing JC Outdoors or Media, just letting people know how allowing teams to count the same fish in 2 tournaments change the payout ratio. That was a pretty dramatic post, by the way.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: Douglas J]
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03/15/18 01:13 PM
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JC Outdoors 76 boats 1 in 5 payout = 15 spots
Media Bass 66 boats 1 in 5 payout = 13 spots
Total places paid 28 spots out of 142 boats
Divide 142 by 28 and you get 5.07142857 or 1 in 5 payout
Please explain how this "system" wasn't fair??
Was it the fact you did not get paid and that is what isn't fair????
Doug is right. Bottom line is there were 142 teams. Look at the bright side you only lost one entry fee.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:18 PM
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redmojo
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 I'm the dramatic one, ok...
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:19 PM
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filmsguy
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The problem is you are looking at this as one tournament because there was only one weigh in. This was two separate tournaments with each tournament having its own entry fee. JC had 76 teams and paid out 1 place for every 5 entries. Media had 66 teams and paid out 1 place for every 5 entries. The proper amount of places were paid for each individual tournament and thats the facts you speak of. Absolutely!!!! That was never in question. I'm trying to point out that since teams were allowed to count their fish in 2 tournaments, the payback ratio changed for the number of real teams in the tournament. 113 teams launched their boat at Fork Saturday morning... 16 received a check at weigh-in. allowing teams to weigh the same fish in different tournaments changes the payback ratio. Again, as I stated in the original post, JC and Media paid there 1-in-5. Never a question.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:22 PM
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the payback ratio was not different, There were 28 checks paid. So only 16 teams got those checks, its a dual tournament and completely expected that people in at least the top 5 will check on both sides. I get it, you're trying to let people know how it works, but the same amount of checks were handed out and you're preaching about the wrong thing.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: Bassdeer]
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03/15/18 01:27 PM
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Douglas J
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JC Outdoors 76 boats 1 in 5 payout = 15 spots
Media Bass 66 boats 1 in 5 payout = 13 spots
Total places paid 28 spots out of 142 boats
Divide 142 by 28 and you get 5.07142857 or 1 in 5 payout
Please explain how this "system" wasn't fair??
Was it the fact you did not get paid and that is what isn't fair????
Doug is right. Bottom line is there were 142 teams. Look at the bright side you only lost one entry fee. There is always a bright side!! 
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: Douglas J]
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03/15/18 01:28 PM
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[/quote] 142 paid entries = 142 teams Total paid between the 2 was 28 out of 142 teams (paid entries) that is 1 in 5 teams paid out the 113 figure seems to be your hang up, it shouldn't be, it means nothing It looks like you've tried to twist it in a way that it appears you've gotten the short end of the deal. But it's hard to argue simple math, it's just numbers which are all right here in front of you  [/quote] 113 means something, because that is the number of human teams that fished the tournament. 113 teams got up, launched their boat and fished all day... not 142 teams. Of those 113 teams, 16 took home a check (or two, or three). No twisting.
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
[Re: filmsguy]
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03/15/18 01:30 PM
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Douglas J
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Ok here is an analogy that may make it easier, Betty has 2 apples and Johnny has 3 pears, no no no JK In poker they have "rebuy" tournaments. In a "rebuy" you can have 500 entries and only 50 total players
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Re: Lake Fork Combo Tournament
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03/15/18 01:31 PM
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the payback ratio was not different, There were 28 checks paid. So only 16 teams got those checks, its a dual tournament and completely expected that people in at least the top 5 will check on both sides. I get it, you're trying to let people know how it works, but the same amount of checks were handed out and you're preaching about the wrong thing. Absolutely. As I stated in my original quote, Media and JC Outdoors paid their 1-in-5.
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