O is fishing very tough right now. The waters just haven�t camemdown and the water hasn�t cleared at all (from what I�ve heard). Toho was on fire for about 3 weeks until the cold front came in and frosted the water temps below 60. The hydrilla on most lakes around has died and huge areas are now just little patches. They are both Great Lakes and yes all the guides will go with shiners to get you on fish. I refuse to fish them and in that 3 week stretch I was put catching them flippin.

Check out Stick Marsh for numbers and average weight. I hear it is fishing very good lately (before the front) and also check out Garcia. Day after Xmas I caught over 30 in the 3# range and a buddy caught about 12-15. Fun lake if you want to flip.

I went down there years ago and the guide had nothing but shiners. We caught a few fish but I wouldn't do it again. Got the feeling the whole deal was more for people who don't know how to fish.

That�s correct! Even the fisherman get stuck with shiners with guides so the guides can post big fish pics. It�s a game down here for sure. And at 18-22 bucks a dozen it gets pricey. My wife used them a couple times last year and caught huge fish so now I won�t even allow them on my boat. Haven�t heard the end of it since she caught a 9.80 on O with a shiner lol.

Guess our Lake Fork guides must be a lot better than Okeechobee guides, they don't use shiners and lots of huge bass are being caught many of them DD.