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 Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 03:46 PM
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patriot07
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If you can provide an answer to that which is philosophically consistent and logical, then I'm open to it. Otherwise, the rest of these arguments are just grasping.
Simple, bump fire does not make a firearm fully automatic. A trigger pull is required for each round. So the user is pulling the trigger each time? Paddock's finger was pulling the trigger 6 times a second for 10 minutes?
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
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10/05/17 03:48 PM
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If you can provide an answer to that which is philosophically consistent and logical, then I'm open to it. Otherwise, the rest of these arguments are just grasping.
Simple, bump fire does not make a firearm fully automatic. A trigger pull is required for each round. So the user is pulling the trigger each time? Paddock's finger was pulling the trigger 6 times a second for 10 minutes? Yes. That's how bump fires work. The shooter's finger activates the trigger multiple time, one time for each shot. The inertia of the exploding cartridge creates the energy of movement of the whole rifle. I don't care if bump fires are banned. Usually though they muck up the laws in one way or the other that have unintended consequences.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 03:50 PM
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Nocona Brian
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This is how it works. You pulling the gun forward is what pulls the trigger. 
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Derek ๐]
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10/05/17 03:51 PM
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It's not that it's not a popular topic. It's just that 99% of us in the OT are fat and lazy and don't visit the fitness section. There is a fitness section? 
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: patriot07]
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10/05/17 03:51 PM
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Where the brass? In the photo you only see a very small portion of a whole big, huge room. I stopped reading after that. If he was close to the window opening when he fired, plenty of it could have gone out the window as well. My ARs typically ejected at about 2:00, which wouldn't leave any or very little brass in the room. Thousands of rounds? Should be piled up and burning up the carpet...at least some of it. 72 minute response time....that was new to me. Wow. That's a whole lot of time to be firing off rounds. Interesting article. Makes you think. #1 news story on GMA this morning....they are curiously looking for another subject....they feel it was too much for one man to pull off. Major news stations apparently are questioning things along with the authorities.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 03:53 PM
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patriot07
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If you can provide an answer to that which is philosophically consistent and logical, then I'm open to it. Otherwise, the rest of these arguments are just grasping.
Simple, bump fire does not make a firearm fully automatic. A trigger pull is required for each round. So the user is pulling the trigger each time? Paddock's finger was pulling the trigger 6 times a second for 10 minutes? Yes. That's how bump fires work. The shooter's finger activates the trigger multiple time, one time for each shot. The inertia of the exploding cartridge creates the energy of movement. The stock allows the shooter to actuate the trigger without the user pulling the trigger. Once again - the device allows a semi-auto weapon to be operated like an automatic. The user isn't pulling the trigger. The trigger is hitting the user's finger. So if the gun or device is firing multiple rounds per pull with no extra input from the user, how is that not "operating like an automatic". I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Bass_Bustin_Texan]
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10/05/17 03:54 PM
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SheldonS
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We have only seen a very small portion of the whole huge hotel suite. People are drawing conclusions and forming theories based on that.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 03:57 PM
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SheldonS
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Most people I know who bought bump fire stocks thought it was a waste of money. The best thing was to shoot a friends and get your 5 minutes of fun that way.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: patriot07]
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10/05/17 04:00 PM
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Nocona Brian
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Yes. That's how bump fires work. The shooter's finger activates the trigger multiple time, one time for each shot. The inertia of the exploding cartridge creates the energy of movement. The stock allows the shooter to actuate the trigger without the user pulling the trigger. Once again - the device allows a semi-auto weapon to be operated like an automatic. The user isn't pulling the trigger. The trigger is hitting the user's finger. So if the gun or device is firing multiple rounds per pull with no extra input from the user, how is that not "operating like an automatic". I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen. The way you're thinking, you could hold the gun in one hand and it'd fire off a whole mag from inertia. That's not how they work though. You have to physically pull the gun forward after each shot for you finger to pull the trigger. The inertia slides the gun back once, then you have to pull it forward then repeat.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 04:01 PM
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Most people I know who bought bump fire stocks thought it was a waste of money. The best thing was to shoot a friends and get your 5 minutes of fun that way. ^^^^^this is what I did 7-8 yrs ago. Fun for about 1.6756 minutes.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: patriot07]
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10/05/17 04:01 PM
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SheldonS
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I don't care if they ban bump fire. But usually they end up mucking up the gun laws. You also don't need a bump fire stock to do the same. 30 rounds per minute = that's ok, fire away 300 rounds per minute = oh that's bad we can't have that
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Nocona Brian]
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10/05/17 04:05 PM
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SheldonS
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Yes. That's how bump fires work. The shooter's finger activates the trigger multiple time, one time for each shot. The inertia of the exploding cartridge creates the energy of movement. The stock allows the shooter to actuate the trigger without the user pulling the trigger. Once again - the device allows a semi-auto weapon to be operated like an automatic. The user isn't pulling the trigger. The trigger is hitting the user's finger. So if the gun or device is firing multiple rounds per pull with no extra input from the user, how is that not "operating like an automatic". I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen. The way you're thinking, you could hold the gun in one hand and it'd fire off a whole mag from inertia. That's not how they work though. You have to physically pull the gun forward after each shot for you finger to pull the trigger. The inertia slides the gun back once, then you have to pull it forward then repeat. And you have to apply some degree of balanced, stable pressure with your finger.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 04:12 PM
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Yes. That's how bump fires work. The shooter's finger activates the trigger multiple time, one time for each shot. The inertia of the exploding cartridge creates the energy of movement. The stock allows the shooter to actuate the trigger without the user pulling the trigger. Once again - the device allows a semi-auto weapon to be operated like an automatic. The user isn't pulling the trigger. The trigger is hitting the user's finger. So if the gun or device is firing multiple rounds per pull with no extra input from the user, how is that not "operating like an automatic". I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen. The way you're thinking, you could hold the gun in one hand and it'd fire off a whole mag from inertia. That's not how they work though. You have to physically pull the gun forward after each shot for you finger to pull the trigger. The inertia slides the gun back once, then you have to pull it forward then repeat. And you have to apply some degree of balanced, stable pressure with your finger. The recoil plays a big part in this, you don't consciously pull the gun forward each time except for the first time to get it started, that is why it is not effective on 22's unless you have a very light trigger pull.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 04:13 PM
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Nocona Brian
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Yes. That's how bump fires work. The shooter's finger activates the trigger multiple time, one time for each shot. The inertia of the exploding cartridge creates the energy of movement. The stock allows the shooter to actuate the trigger without the user pulling the trigger. Once again - the device allows a semi-auto weapon to be operated like an automatic. The user isn't pulling the trigger. The trigger is hitting the user's finger. So if the gun or device is firing multiple rounds per pull with no extra input from the user, how is that not "operating like an automatic". I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen. The way you're thinking, you could hold the gun in one hand and it'd fire off a whole mag from inertia. That's not how they work though. You have to physically pull the gun forward after each shot for you finger to pull the trigger. The inertia slides the gun back once, then you have to pull it forward then repeat. And you have to apply some degree of balanced, stable pressure with your finger. That's also not what bumpfire type stocks do. There's no way a semi-auto firearm of any kind can fire multiple rounds per pull without having something mechanically changed inside the gun. That being a federal crime.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Nocona Brian]
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10/05/17 04:16 PM
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This is how it works. You pulling the gun forward is what pulls the trigger. I've never shot a bump stop rifle but have read that they are inaccurate but this seems to prove otherwise. Maybe not MOA but looks like he is keeping his shots in center mass.
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