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 Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: txshotgun]
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10/05/17 01:27 PM
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Bass_Bustin_Texan
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Should we govern vehicles to 75mph max?
I dont know why they sell cars with 600hp. False equivalence. We shouldn't ban guns, just certain styles, modifications, ect. No need for that extra power. Same with a car. 600hp is overkill. Speed limit by law is 75mph on I-20. #1 death in USA is vehicles.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 01:29 PM
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Bass_Bustin_Texan
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The texting ban lasted a week around here. People are breaking the law left and right now a month later.
Laws don't change things, enforcement does.
You can avoid having ulcers by adapting to the situation: If you fall in the mud puddle, check your pockets for fish. ~Unknown
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Bass_Bustin_Texan]
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10/05/17 01:36 PM
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John175☮
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The texting ban lasted a week around here. People are breaking the law left and right now a month later.
Laws don't change things, enforcement does.
Yup. If a State wants to ban echo triggers and bump stocks I see no reason for them not to do so. Right now they are legal because they don't meet the current ATF definition of a machinegun. I think they snuck past the "single function of the trigger" requirement. (b) Machinegun The term machinegun means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Bob Davis]
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10/05/17 01:44 PM
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SheldonS
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We can't legislate our way out of this, to think that we can is foolhardy. You can 3D print a device in about 5 minutes or you can use a belt loop or a crank. I am against full auto, and see no need for it, but any legislation would be nothing more than a placebo.
It may make more sense to legislate concert venues. An open field packed with 40,000 people shoulder to shoulder enclosed by chain link is like shooting fish in a barrel. Especially with high rise hotels within range.  Some crazy person who wants to kill people will not be stopped by laws.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 01:47 PM
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I think whats bothering me is not the prospect of any type of gun ban, but ... well, let me try to find words.
One of the great things about the internet is that it promotes the free exchange of information. Lord knows that when the information being provided is how to engage in civil disobedience or riots, the interweb seems to love it. But to suppress knowledge - even knowledge of how to build weapons - is one of the basest wrongs there is.
Yeah, thats it. I can live with the idea that some firearns technology might be illegal to own or use. I dont' like the idea that knowledge itself could be banned.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Gamblinman]
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10/05/17 01:48 PM
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Fish Killer
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Lots of fun, and you find out real quick what ammo you're weapon likes best. I found Federal brass works best. The steel ammo not so much.
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You are soo right about that. Took me a while to find out how to get the long controlled string of shots out of mine.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 02:00 PM
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Allison1
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Bump stocks and whatever are entrepreneurs way of making money. From what I've read some weapons can easily be made to fire very fast with simple tricks. If so the key is to make laws that govern the manufacture of these gun mechanisms so they cannot easily fire so fast.
It seems like that would address the problem. Banning bump stocks only means the next best thing will be what people get.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 02:11 PM
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JavelinJ
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We can't legislate our way out of this, to think that we can is foolhardy. You can 3D print a device in about 5 minutes or you can use a belt loop or a crank. I am against full auto, and see no need for it, but any legislation would be nothing more than a placebo.
It may make more sense to legislate concert venues. An open field packed with 40,000 people shoulder to shoulder enclosed by chain link is like shooting fish in a barrel. Especially with high rise hotels within range. Some crazy person who wants to kill people will not be stopped by laws. Isn't the act of killing someone against the "law"?
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: JavelinJ]
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10/05/17 02:30 PM
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SheldonS
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We can't legislate our way out of this, to think that we can is foolhardy. You can 3D print a device in about 5 minutes or you can use a belt loop or a crank. I am against full auto, and see no need for it, but any legislation would be nothing more than a placebo.
It may make more sense to legislate concert venues. An open field packed with 40,000 people shoulder to shoulder enclosed by chain link is like shooting fish in a barrel. Especially with high rise hotels within range. Some crazy person who wants to kill people will not be stopped by laws. Isn't the act of killing someone against the "law"? And nevertheless it still occurs. One does not need a bump fire stock to fire rapidly.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Bass_Bustin_Texan]
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10/05/17 03:02 PM
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Should we govern vehicles to 75mph max?
I dont know why they sell cars with 600hp. False equivalence. We shouldn't ban guns, just certain styles, modifications, ect. No need for that extra power. Same with a car. 600hp is overkill. Speed limit by law is 75mph on I-20. #1 death in USA is vehicles. A bump stock doesn't make a .223/5.56 more powerful. It allows a person to shoot ammo more quickly. The #1 cause of death in the USA is heart disease (by a pretty wide margin).
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 03:05 PM
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soggybottom
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answer= it doesn't matter how many people die. There IS a way to stop this, we don't care. Let god sortem out.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 03:08 PM
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If this guy had used his bipod and a decent scope, with a little know-how he could have killed many more people by taking aimed shots. The bumpstock allowed him to put a lot of rounds towards the crowd, but none of them were really aimed.
I have no use for a bumpstock, but I don't think they should be banned, and I'm not sure how much good it would do, because it seems like you can fire a semi-auto in a similar fashion without one. He also had a lot of ammonium and tannerite in his vehicle parked at Mandalay Bay. This guy was a terrorist. I'm tired of giving up rights/conveniences/abilities because terrorists commit horrible acts.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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10/05/17 03:13 PM
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Bass_Bustin_Texan
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Should we govern vehicles to 75mph max?
I dont know why they sell cars with 600hp. False equivalence. We shouldn't ban guns, just certain styles, modifications, ect. No need for that extra power. Same with a car. 600hp is overkill. Speed limit by law is 75mph on I-20. #1 death in USA is vehicles. A bump stock doesn't make a .223/5.56 more powerful. It allows a person to shoot ammo more quickly. The #1 cause of death in the USA is heart disease (by a pretty wide margin). Not a very popular topic here on the TFF. One reply in about 24 hours. Post about automatic guns and it's a reply every 5 minutes for 3 days straight. Sad, we don't control the one thing we can control ourselves...is right there with us all day long. Crazy people.....we can't control that as easy. Sorry, back on topic, http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics3,287 on average die a day in vehicles. That's a whole lot of mass shooting a day. I know a lot more people who died in car crashes in this small community than I do in gun fights or shootings. Lot of young lives have been lost here....many good friends over the years.
You can avoid having ulcers by adapting to the situation: If you fall in the mud puddle, check your pockets for fish. ~Unknown
Open your eyes & look within, are you satisfied with the life youre living.
No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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10/05/17 03:16 PM
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Bass_Bustin_Texan
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If this guy had used his bipod and a decent scope, with a little know-how he could have killed many more people by taking aimed shots. The bumpstock allowed him to put a lot of rounds towards the crowd, but none of them were really aimed.
I have no use for a bumpstock, but I don't think they should be banned, and I'm not sure how much good it would do, because it seems like you can fire a semi-auto in a similar fashion without one. He also had a lot of ammonium and tannerite in his vehicle parked at Mandalay Bay. This guy was a terrorist. I'm tired of giving up rights/conveniences/abilities because terrorists commit horrible acts. Not to mention he stayed at a hotel down there road during another music festival. Dude was nuts.
You can avoid having ulcers by adapting to the situation: If you fall in the mud puddle, check your pockets for fish. ~Unknown
Open your eyes & look within, are you satisfied with the life youre living.
No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
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10/05/17 03:17 PM
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patriot07
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If this guy had used his bipod and a decent scope, with a little know-how he could have killed many more people by taking aimed shots. The bumpstock allowed him to put a lot of rounds towards the crowd, but none of them were really aimed.
I have no use for a bumpstock, but I don't think they should be banned, and I'm not sure how much good it would do, because it seems like you can fire a semi-auto in a similar fashion without one. He also had a lot of ammonium and tannerite in his vehicle parked at Mandalay Bay. This guy was a terrorist. I'm tired of giving up rights/conveniences/abilities because terrorists commit horrible acts. I don't disagree with your last statement. But if modern automatic weapons are illegal to own, then why are devices that make a weapon operate like an automatic weapon not regulated in the same way?
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