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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 04:17 PM
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I believe if he hadn't used the bump stock more people would be dead and less people would have been hit. I say this because if you have ever been prairie dog hunting and aiming at a few hundred yards like in the case of the LV shooter. You would know how accurate and how many shots you can get off in a very shot time. I would like for each of you to think how many prairie dogs you could kill if you hit them in the head while shooting a regular AR 15 with a few extra clips and all the dogs where pin up. I would think in a ten minute time frame I could get 10-15 pre minute pretty easy. so 100-150 in a ten minute time period. People the answer is not making more laws it won't stop the crazies they can just buy from other countries, they are not planing to go to jail any way or obeying the law.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: patriot07]
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10/05/17 04:18 PM
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Duck_Hunter
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If this guy had used his bipod and a decent scope, with a little know-how he could have killed many more people by taking aimed shots. The bumpstock allowed him to put a lot of rounds towards the crowd, but none of them were really aimed.
I have no use for a bumpstock, but I don't think they should be banned, and I'm not sure how much good it would do, because it seems like you can fire a semi-auto in a similar fashion without one. He also had a lot of ammonium and tannerite in his vehicle parked at Mandalay Bay. This guy was a terrorist. I'm tired of giving up rights/conveniences/abilities because terrorists commit horrible acts. I don't disagree with your last statement. But if modern automatic weapons are illegal to own, then why are devices that make a weapon operate like an automatic weapon not regulated in the same way? What do you mean by "modern" automatic weapons? Citizens can buy automatic weapons if they qualify and have enough money. They are not entirely illegal; they are heavily regulated. You can bump fire with your belt loop. Murder is still illegal. We have enough legislation and regulations. One person has used bumpfire stock to commit a heinous act, I don't think bumpfire stocks are an issue. Like I said, many more people would have been killed if he had taken his time and picked out targets. Terrorists shouldn't control my life.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: patriot07]
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10/05/17 04:18 PM
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The stock allows the shooter to actuate the trigger without the user pulling the trigger. Once again - the device allows a semi-auto weapon to be operated like an automatic. The user isn't pulling the trigger. The trigger is hitting the user's finger. So if the gun or device is firing multiple rounds per pull with no extra input from the user, how is that not "operating like an automatic".
I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen.
He is making an action. One must pull the gun back towards yourself to make it function. Slide fire or bump stocks required operator action or it will not function. Side note...I can fire 30 rounds in 3 seconds with my factory AR so how will banning bump stocks change anything?...
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 04:19 PM
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No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: BlueNitro]
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10/05/17 04:21 PM
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This is how it works. You pulling the gun forward is what pulls the trigger. ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/eRBPoZxCzc9NK/giphy.gif) I've never shot a bump stop rifle but have read that they are inaccurate but this seems to prove otherwise. Maybe not MOA but looks like he is keeping his shots in center mass. Depends on the caliber and weight of the rifle, I can hold a 30 round mag dump of .223 on a 4x8 sheet of plywood at 100 yards, with the hotter .556 round muzzle rise pulls off the board about half way through and I have to stop a fraction of a second and pull it back down. 7.62x39 muzzle rise is difficult to control, short bursts are easier to control.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 04:23 PM
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No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: soggybottom]
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10/05/17 04:26 PM
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answer= it doesn't matter how many people die. There IS a way to stop this, we don't care. Let god sortem out. Lets hear it Cap'n. As soon as you get all of the thugs and miscreants to turn in their firearms, I will gladly throw mine in there. Unicorns are not real.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Nocona Brian]
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10/05/17 04:39 PM
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That's also not what bumpfire type stocks do.
What I'm trying to say is you have to hold your trigger finger in place, with appropriate balanced pressure. Your finger turns into a limp noodle and bump fire no longer occurs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 04:41 PM
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That's also not what bumpfire type stocks do.
What I'm trying to say is you have to hold your trigger finger in place, with appropriate balanced pressure. Your finger turns into a limp noodle and bump fire no longer occurs. I guess I don't get your point?
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Open your eyes & look within, are you satisfied with the life youre living.
No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 04:43 PM
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That's also not what bumpfire type stocks do.
What I'm trying to say is you have to hold your trigger finger in place, with appropriate balanced pressure. Your finger turns into a limp noodle and bump fire no longer occurs. I didn't mean to quote you, see the red in the quoted box a comment or two above that one.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Nocona Brian]
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10/05/17 04:44 PM
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Look me up when I'm 64. BTW...he was no where near 6 rounds per second. Listen to the audio and time it.
I'd love to see a 64 year old man who can operate an AR-15 at a rate of 6 rounds per second for 10 minutes without a bump stock or without bump-firing the weapon. Never going to happen.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Bob Davis]
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10/05/17 04:58 PM
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answer= it doesn't matter how many people die. There IS a way to stop this, we don't care. Let god sortem out. Lets hear it Cap'n. As soon as you get all of the thugs and miscreants to turn in their firearms, I will gladly throw mine in there. Unicorns are not real. answer= I laid out how to do it and keep your guns and you dont care how or who dies. Gun nut
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: SheldonS]
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10/05/17 05:00 PM
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That's also not what bumpfire type stocks do.
What I'm trying to say is you have to hold your trigger finger in place, with appropriate balanced pressure. Your finger turns into a limp noodle and bump fire no longer occurs. with a slide fire stock this is not a problem as you rest your finger across a couple of rests that bridge the trigger, the only conscious effort is starting and stopping the fire. Other bump fires require more control. BUT more gun control is NOT the answer, this was pre-meditated and he could easily have converted them to full auto! Illegal as hell...yes, but so is murder! Criminals don't abide by laws people!!!
1987 Nitro MX185/Mercury Black Max 150 (needs lots of work, put motor on nephew's boat) 1994 XSC-2200 "Jaguar" AKA Shadow 22 Magnum (restoring w/Mercury 200 XRI) 1994 Pantera II (restoring w/Mercury 200 EFI) 1999 Triton TX21/225 Mercury Optimax
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 05:14 PM
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Women screams at concert you all will die....45 mins before shooting. So weird how this is all coming out.
You can avoid having ulcers by adapting to the situation: If you fall in the mud puddle, check your pockets for fish. ~Unknown
Open your eyes & look within, are you satisfied with the life youre living.
No matter how good or bad you have it, wake up each day thankful for your life. Someone somewhere else is desperately fighting for theirs.
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Re: Bump fire stocks and Youtube
[Re: Uncle Zeek]
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10/05/17 05:28 PM
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If only everyone there had been carrying there sidearm, so many lives could have been saved.
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