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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369477 08/02/17 04:08 PM
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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369570 08/02/17 05:16 PM
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We had a flight a couple of years ago , rough weather on the ground ,
3 tries with no joy , circled for a few minutes while they reset the airport and
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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Ride-or-Fish ] #12369580 08/02/17 05:22 PM
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Could have been wake turbulence, weather related, who knows. Go around's will raise questions with the Airline, and yes, they will more than likely be questioned by their employer. I do know a couple of freight companies that give the pilot very few go around's per year before they get reprimanded. As far as the FAA, unless they broke a regulation or had a close call, they will probably never say a word.
why is that? Do Go arounds cause delays/other problems?


At a busy airport like DFW, Atlanta etc, ATC has to find a way to fit them in, if they are instructed to fly the published missed approach procedure, they will fly to a waypoint or navaid, usually 15-20 miles out and hold until they can get sequenced back into traffic. They can also be vectored by ATC as well. The fuel used doing one is probably another good reason to not want to do one in an airliner. At a small airport, go arounds are no big deal, I have had to do that from time to time for various reasons including practicing go arounds.

Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369614 08/02/17 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: Roller22
We were coming back from vacation and had to land in Atlanta before the last leg to DFW. Approach was normal, gear down, flaps, dropping in altitude. On final approach the plane makes several left to right rough jerks and then a sudden drop like a down burst hit it.

We were within 50 ft. of landing from my calculations looking out the window. All of a sudden the pilot hits the throttle and upward we head. Circle around and make a second approach with less turbulence, land without any issues.

My question is, if the pilots have to make a second approach to land after being that close to landing initially, are they questioned by the FAA?

I shook both their hands and told them good call as we left the plane. They didn't look very happy, like they were in trouble.
Never having flown before, took a flight from Austin to Vegas, approaching Vegas plane made several sharp turns then seemed to stop forward motion and drop straight down 500 ft. then landed. I know it didn't stop or drop that far, but felt like it, being newby to flying.

Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369700 08/02/17 06:52 PM
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No, there are not repercussions for going around.

Truth told, there are sometimes very serious consequences for not going around.

Then again, pilots are paid by the hour. His kids might have needed new shoes for school....


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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369703 08/02/17 06:55 PM
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Had a suspenseful moment while flying solo and practicing for my private license once upon a time. Was flying out of Ft.Lauderdale Executive and the normal practice area for students was out over the sawgrass, west of Coral Springs. Radioed tower to let them know I was coming in and they told me to stay put as it was very busy. Left me hanging for what seemed like forever and I called back to let them know I was a student pilot as it was getting dark. Near dusk when I made approach and for the life of me I couldn't see the airport. It was a Friday night and every football stadium was lit up, passing over the tollway with all the car lights on, then I-95... a lot going on. I'm on the correct heading but didn't spot runway until they told me to go around. I called right back and told them I had found it and was allowed to land without having to go around. Never felt in danger but more from embarrassment if I'd had to go around.


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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369746 08/02/17 07:22 PM
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My plane bounced (or felt like it) when it landed yesterday.


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Landings are just a controlled crash.

Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: thrashfish] #12369766 08/02/17 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: thrashfish
Landings are just a controlled crash.


Some aren't all that controlled...


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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Pilothawk] #12369802 08/02/17 08:17 PM
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Landings are just a controlled crash.


Some aren't all that controlled...


This one was rough. It was a bumpy flight the whole way, then we literally bounced.


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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369838 08/02/17 08:42 PM
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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12369879 08/02/17 09:12 PM
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In my road warrior days, I was in first class on approach to DFW. Can't remember the exact verbiage, but I could hear the automated warning coming from the cockpit. I think we were caught in a micro down burst. If I remember correctly, the pilot accelerated and lowered the nose until we cleared, then pointed it upwards for the go around. PH would know more about that.

Second time, the pilot elected to go around because the plane landing in front of us did not clear the runway fast enough. Again at DFW.

My favorite. When I was based in Lubbock, AA dropped jet service in favor of turboprops ran by American Eagle. One morning I took off from LBB, bound to DFW. 1/3 of the way there storms form in front of us and the plane starts to head towards OKC. Decision time. Land at OKC and wait it out or try and make it through that "sucker hole" off to the right. Pilot chose the sucker hole. I was sitting in the last row. The plane is shaking quite badly. The flight attendant sitting behind me is new and actually starts to cry (never saw her again after this flight). Then it happens. From the front of the plane a loud Urrrrgh. "Get ready", I tell the guy sitting next to me. A look of panic sets in and he asks, "Ready for what?". As the smell of vomit hits the next row, Urrrrgh. It is like watching an avalanche coming towards you. Each row puking as the smell reaches them. It finally makes its way to the back and my neighbor grabs the barf bag and loses his breakfast. God how I hated flying with amateurs.

Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12370138 08/03/17 12:10 AM
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They phenomena of which many of you speak is termed windshear. Many years ago we did not even know there was such a thing as wind shear or did we fully appreciate its affects on approach . Much was learned from a tragedy right there at dfw....Delta 191.

Rapid changes in wind intensity and direction can have a profound effect on an aircraft. When this occurs close to the ground, recovery can be difficult and potentially impossible.

It is a sickening feeling as a pilot to feel the airplane sinking as if the mighty hand of God is pushing down on you as you are pushing the throttles forward and pulling the nose up.


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Re: Question for commercial pilots [Re: Roller22] #12370174 08/03/17 12:27 AM
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You wonder if the plane can skid across water, Man that water is close to the end of the run way .


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