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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
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06/12/17 10:01 PM
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Stompy
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I understand the math and agree, sometimes it's better to borrow and invest. Been a long time since I borrowed, the last big purchase was a boat and paid cash due to the rate. I would definitely borrow if the math was right.
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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
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06/12/17 10:24 PM
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Brad R
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From a retired Certified Financial Planner.
Automobile pricing was sort of algorithmic or formulaic for many decades: prices followed wage increases. When real wage growth stalled in the 1970s, auto manufacturers resorted very quickly to financial alchemy and manipulated payments to allow them to raise car prices. Car loans were traditionally 24 to 36 months. I recall very vividly when they went to 42 months, then 48, then, then, then. Leases, too, became a way to get around selling a "whole" car, reduced it to selling just the portion of the car's life you'd be using, so say 36 months and 36,000 miles of it.
Home mortgage rates followed a slightly different path. SROs were formed that essentially de-risked mortgage paper for investors (GNMA and FNMA among others). Mortgage interest rates fell like a rock over the decades since interest rates peaked in 1981. Prices sky-rocketed in many markets.
Still, on the non-financial side of things, what really happened was Americans stopped considering what the price tag on something is and became almost laser focused on "what are the payments?"
Today, we are for the large part, payment buyers. A lot of guys would buy a boat for $100,000 if the salesperson said the following words: Pay the taxes and 5% down up-front and $250 a month. The prospective buyer would never hear another word spoken after that . . . dreaming of sharelunkers flopping around on the deck.
Brad
P.S. I can't even imagine how many of the high-end bass boats, could cost more than, what, a Toyota Corolla. Just the price tag for compliance, alone, on a car is staggering, labor union pressures are immense, and on and on. br
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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
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06/12/17 10:42 PM
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franchi
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I typically make 10% a year or more in the stock market. Why pull money that is making 10% or more to save 6% loan rates
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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
[Re: franchi]
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06/12/17 11:14 PM
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Stompy
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I typically make 10% a year or more in the stock market. Why pull money that is making 10% or more to save 6% loan rates Basic math, that's the smart thing to do.
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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
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06/12/17 11:30 PM
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GIG'EM AGGIES
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From a retired Certified Financial Planner.
Automobile pricing was sort of algorithmic or formulaic for many decades: prices followed wage increases. When real wage growth stalled in the 1970s, auto manufacturers resorted very quickly to financial alchemy and manipulated payments to allow them to raise car prices. Car loans were traditionally 24 to 36 months. I recall very vividly when they went to 42 months, then 48, then, then, then. Leases, too, became a way to get around selling a "whole" car, reduced it to selling just the portion of the car's life you'd be using, so say 36 months and 36,000 miles of it.
Home mortgage rates followed a slightly different path. SROs were formed that essentially de-risked mortgage paper for investors (GNMA and FNMA among others). Mortgage interest rates fell like a rock over the decades since interest rates peaked in 1981. Prices sky-rocketed in many markets.
Still, on the non-financial side of things, what really happened was Americans stopped considering what the price tag on something is and became almost laser focused on "what are the payments?"
Today, we are for the large part, payment buyers. A lot of guys would buy a boat for $100,000 if the salesperson said the following words: Pay the taxes and 5% down up-front and $250 a month. The prospective buyer would never hear another word spoken after that . . . dreaming of sharelunkers flopping around on the deck.
Brad
P.S. I can't even imagine how many of the high-end bass boats, could cost more than, what, a Toyota Corolla. Just the price tag for compliance, alone, on a car is staggering, labor union pressures are immense, and on and on. br Very informative Brad. Brings back memories of the market crash in 2008 which was mostly caused by subprime mortgage rates. Actually a horrific memory for me because of all the money I lost in the stock market. Had barely recovered from the 2000 crash and then had to endure another. FNMA decided it would help folks with less than good credit afford the home of their dreams and they jumped on it with both feet. People making $50,000 a year were buying $400,000 homes. When they stopped or couldn't make payments any longer streets were filled with foreclosed homes and huge companies had to be bailed out by the government. Not saying the same thing will happen with 20 year boat loans, finance companies are aware of credit issues and I'm sure finance accordingly but I've seen several post on here in the past where a guy was just trying to get someone to take over payments on a year old boat due to unexpected financial difficulties. Boat manufacturers have to find a way to sell $$$$$ boats and 20 year loans seems to work.
I am a Senager. (Senior teenager) I have everything that I wanted as a teenager, only 50 years later. I get an allowance every month. I have PU truck and a bass boat, I am blessed. Conscience never acquits, it either accuses or excuses.
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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
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06/17/17 01:22 AM
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barryfish
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I financed my nitro z19 for 12 years. payments are $348 a month. $0 down and I pay triple payment. it was a safe plan for me to finance that long, never know if times get rough. The way I look at it is you aren't paying for it so what does it matter to you? and yes my boat catches tons of fish lol. Haven't done the math to see when it will be paid off. Bought it last June....
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Re: New Nitro prices- WOW
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06/17/17 04:27 AM
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Slade
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If you keep up the triple payments, I would guess 3 more years. It makes more sense to make big payments for a shorter time, just don't trade it in once you get it paid off. But even if you do, it won't be like starting from scratch
PB 10.58 Joe Pool
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