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 Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: StratVoodoo]
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02/17/17 02:18 PM
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People seem to care way less about what you think about anything when you preface the entire post by beginning with "all you guys making hot chit videos that all you guys on the TFF seem to love". Kind of makes it hard to focus in on what "really makes you mad". I saw some good points about fish handeling that I completely agree with but quickly lost interest in what you thought because of the lack of focus on the topic when you immediately led down that rabbit trail. :-) +1 +2 I love my hot chit GoPro fishing videos.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Rube G.]
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02/17/17 02:18 PM
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being new to the sport, I learned a few things while reading this . After watching 100's of how to fish videos , none of this was mentioned.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Rube G.]
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02/17/17 03:09 PM
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Rube G.
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I started the post the way I did as an attention getter. From some of the responses it did what it was supposed to.
This post is intended for education on caring for Bass. The new guys coming into the sport will think that it's ok to boat flip. It is our responsibility to teach the new generation how to do it the right way, as it will be their responsibility to teach the next.
Most folks that fish a lot know that it's wrong to let the fish flop all over the carpet, but do it anyway, kind of like speeding in a school zone.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Chasin Hogs]
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02/17/17 03:11 PM
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Loss of small areas of slime coat happen frequently, just as you get small scrapes on your skin. The trouble starts when large areas are affected. Example, a small scrape of your skin is easy to heal, but losing 25% of your skin from road rash or burn is another matter completely, wouldn't you say?
Biologists say use a knotless rubber net to reduce injury. I often never lift the net completely from the water - I reach in and lip the captive bass when feasible. Livewell additives firm up the slime coat to improve retention, as does a small dose of non-iodine salt.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Rube G.]
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02/17/17 04:39 PM
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Fish immune systems are not as resilient as mammalian immune systems because much of fish immune defense is built into the mucus coat in the form of proteins and enzymes designed to kill or impede the attachment of pathogens to the scales and skin. Their adaptive immune defenses (antibodies, complement and macrophages in the blood) are greatly affected by temperature (it can take days for antibody production during the winter) and, even during the summer, infections can establish before the body can react to them. Most fish killed by fungus are killed during the winter when their adaptive immune system is in the tank.
Most fish that are handled a little rough (flopping on the carpet) or held out of the water a little too long are not going to develop serious infections and die. They may, however, have to put more energy into regenerating mucus and clearing metabolic wastes that accumulated in their blood while out of the water (which screws up blood chemistry and all kinds of metabolic processes). Diverting energy to return the body back to stable takes away from other potential energy-dependent functions like feeding, building muscle and developing eggs. There is a physiological cost to recover from being caught even if there are no outward signs, like disease.
My point is that it's not as devastating for a fish to be handled a little rough as some would suggest. But, even if the fish doesn't develop lesions or infections from being handled, there may be a cost in egg production, growth, or general fitness. One angler on a large lake rough-handling the fish they catch isn't going to have an impact. But dozens or hundreds or thousands of anglers fishing on a regular basis can start to have a negative impact on the fitness of the population, especially if most of them are handling the fish rough.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: StratVoodoo]
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02/17/17 08:21 PM
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People seem to care way less about what you think about anything when you preface the entire post by beginning with "all you guys making hot chit videos that all you guys on the TFF seem to love". Kind of makes it hard to focus in on what "really makes you mad". I saw some good points about fish handeling that I completely agree with but quickly lost interest in what you thought because of the lack of focus on the topic when you immediately led down that rabbit trail. :-) +1 Yep. Lectures are for college auditoriums. Preaching is for church. Two possibly more productive outlets for Rube on his soapbox.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: IIIMag]
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02/17/17 08:45 PM
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Rube G.
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People seem to care way less about what you think about anything when you preface the entire post by beginning with "all you guys making hot chit videos that all you guys on the TFF seem to love". Kind of makes it hard to focus in on what "really makes you mad". I saw some good points about fish handeling that I completely agree with but quickly lost interest in what you thought because of the lack of focus on the topic when you immediately led down that rabbit trail. :-) +1 Yep. Lectures are for college auditoriums. Preaching is for church. Two possibly more productive outlets for Rube on his soapbox. You got something rite lllMAG. Good soapbox.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Outdoordude]
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02/17/17 08:49 PM
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Rube G.
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Fish immune systems are not as resilient as mammalian immune systems because much of fish immune defense is built into the mucus coat in the form of proteins and enzymes designed to kill or impede the attachment of pathogens to the scales and skin. Their adaptive immune defenses (antibodies, complement and macrophages in the blood) are greatly affected by temperature (it can take days for antibody production during the winter) and, even during the summer, infections can establish before the body can react to them. Most fish killed by fungus are killed during the winter when their adaptive immune system is in the tank.
Most fish that are handled a little rough (flopping on the carpet) or held out of the water a little too long are not going to develop serious infections and die. They may, however, have to put more energy into regenerating mucus and clearing metabolic wastes that accumulated in their blood while out of the water (which screws up blood chemistry and all kinds of metabolic processes). Diverting energy to return the body back to stable takes away from other potential energy-dependent functions like feeding, building muscle and developing eggs. There is a physiological cost to recover from being caught even if there are no outward signs, like disease.
My point is that it's not as devastating for a fish to be handled a little rough as some would suggest. But, even if the fish doesn't develop lesions or infections from being handled, there may be a cost in egg production, growth, or general fitness. One angler on a large lake rough-handling the fish they catch isn't going to have an impact. But dozens or hundreds or thousands of anglers fishing on a regular basis can start to have a negative impact on the fitness of the population, especially if most of them are handling the fish rough. Outdoordude Are you a fisheries biologist? can you please post the science behind your statement.
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Rube G.]
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02/18/17 03:23 AM
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Outdoordude
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Fish immune systems are not as resilient as mammalian immune systems because much of fish immune defense is built into the mucus coat in the form of proteins and enzymes designed to kill or impede the attachment of pathogens to the scales and skin. Their adaptive immune defenses (antibodies, complement and macrophages in the blood) are greatly affected by temperature (it can take days for antibody production during the winter) and, even during the summer, infections can establish before the body can react to them. Most fish killed by fungus are killed during the winter when their adaptive immune system is in the tank.
Most fish that are handled a little rough (flopping on the carpet) or held out of the water a little too long are not going to develop serious infections and die. They may, however, have to put more energy into regenerating mucus and clearing metabolic wastes that accumulated in their blood while out of the water (which screws up blood chemistry and all kinds of metabolic processes). Diverting energy to return the body back to stable takes away from other potential energy-dependent functions like feeding, building muscle and developing eggs. There is a physiological cost to recover from being caught even if there are no outward signs, like disease.
My point is that it's not as devastating for a fish to be handled a little rough as some would suggest. But, even if the fish doesn't develop lesions or infections from being handled, there may be a cost in egg production, growth, or general fitness. One angler on a large lake rough-handling the fish they catch isn't going to have an impact. But dozens or hundreds or thousands of anglers fishing on a regular basis can start to have a negative impact on the fitness of the population, especially if most of them are handling the fish rough. Outdoordude Are you a fisheries biologist? can you please post the science behind your statement. I am, here is the science: http://vri.cz/docs/vetmed/56-10-486.pdf - Innate and adaptive immunity in teleost fish http://www3.carleton.ca/fecpl/pdfs/C%20and%20R%20LMB%20SMB%20MS.pdf - Physiological impacts on black bass from C&R http://fishlab.nres.illinois.edu/Reprints/Cooke_et_al_FME_2013.pdf - Review of research on physiological impacts on fish from C&R
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Re: Caring for Bass
[Re: Rube G.]
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02/18/17 03:57 AM
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Thank you Rube. We need to protect the sport and the fisheries. Handle with care.
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