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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Dale Griffin]
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02/15/17 03:43 PM
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ThatOneBigKid
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IMO a FG knot is the only way to go. I have tied this knot countless time with all different diameters over the last few years and haven't had it fail yet. It acts like a Chinese finger trap around the fluorocarbon so the hard you pull the tighter the knot gets. This is also the smoothest knot through eyelets I have seen. I through this on micro guides regularly without any issue.
2005 Stratos 201 Pro XL - 2012 250H.O. Etec w/ 27p Fury - 1198's, 112lb Fortrex, 8' Talons
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Dale Griffin]
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02/15/17 07:50 PM
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BASS GURU
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I would be interested in to hear from those that have tried both the FG knot and the Alberto knot. I did, and IMO the Alberto is smaller, easier to tie, and every bit as strong as the FG. Of course, each person should use what they like best, but it's hard to make an informed choice if you haven't at least tried both. When I was a kid I loved strawberry ice cream...and then I tasted chocolate.
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Dale Griffin]
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02/15/17 07:53 PM
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PEDRO H.
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Dale Griffin]
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02/15/17 08:35 PM
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CCTX
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I was using 15lb braid to 12lb cxx with an Alberto when I hooked into this monster Fought it for 35 minutes with sleigh rides toward Mexico until I finally got her turned. Was belly dragging her estimated 200lb weight in 6fow when the line to line knot finally failed I'll continue to use the Alberto
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Dale Griffin]
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02/15/17 09:42 PM
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lconn4
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Alberto also known as Modified Albright for me. Twenty years using it in salt and fresh, can quickly retie it in adverse conditions. If tied properly, it works.
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: lconn4]
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02/16/17 12:34 AM
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FishGirl71
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Alberto also known as Modified Albright for me. Twenty years using it in salt and fresh, can quickly retie it in adverse conditions. If tied properly, it works. This is the one I use also. The FG seems easy enough, but it seems time consuming. Of course, I'm sure it would get quicker the more a person used it. I have no experience with it, but the modified Albright works for me, so I guess I haven;t looked for anything else.
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: MadFluker]
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02/16/17 01:37 AM
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Brad R
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MadFluker, interesting! It is a version of sorts of an Alberto or Albright, that basic general form, but Dodd doubles the leader loop and pulls it away from the area he wraps, then after he wraps "down" the line, he passes the bitter end through these double loops when he locks it down. In an Albright or Alberto, the wraps are "braid over fluoro or mono" so it (the braid) can bite into the softer leader materials. But, the braid passes under the fluoro on the way in at the beginning and out at the end. This is weaker as fluoro and mono can't bite into the braid. So, Dodd is sort of fixing this by doubling the leader line. Doubled lines = more friction. Very cool! It looks like a very tight junction knot to me. Brad
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: ezbassin]
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02/16/17 02:17 AM
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Clint H.
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I truly believe leader knots are destined to fail Your beliefs are wrong. If you tie leader knots correctly they will work just fine, but as with any knot, if you DO NOT tie it correctly, it will fail. Learn to tie knots correctly and you will not have problems. If you can't learn to tie knots correctly then maybe you need to take up bowling instead. maybe I should have included that my fishing style doesn't benefit using leaders and knots. But none the less. DON'T appreciate the bashing for an opinion. Atleast your passionate about knots. You'd have thought I insulted your first born. But I stand by my statement. And I'd dare say I can tie knots including a leader knot as well or better than you can...
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Brad R]
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02/16/17 02:38 AM
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MadFluker
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MadFluker, interesting! It is a version of sorts of an Alberto or Albright, that basic general form, but Dodd doubles the leader loop and pulls it away from the area he wraps, then after he wraps "down" the line, he passes the bitter end through these double loops when he locks it down. In an Albright or Alberto, the wraps are "braid over fluoro or mono" so it (the braid) can bite into the softer leader materials. But, the braid passes under the fluoro on the way in at the beginning and out at the end. This is weaker as fluoro and mono can't bite into the braid. So, Dodd is sort of fixing this by doubling the leader line. Doubled lines = more friction. Very cool! It looks like a very tight junction knot to me. Brad I Know Right! so easy to tie & strong
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Capt'n Seabass]
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02/16/17 02:56 AM
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Frank the Tank
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I just don't see how you guys tie this thing in a 15-20 MPH wind on the lake. I break off line all the time fishing drop shots on structure and tie on more flouro, I just don't see how you can possibly do this sitting on a boat in the wind.
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Clint H.]
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02/16/17 12:37 PM
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ezbassin
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I truly believe leader knots are destined to fail Your beliefs are wrong. If you tie leader knots correctly they will work just fine, but as with any knot, if you DO NOT tie it correctly, it will fail. Learn to tie knots correctly and you will not have problems. If you can't learn to tie knots correctly then maybe you need to take up bowling instead. maybe I should have included that my fishing style doesn't benefit using leaders and knots. But none the less. DON'T appreciate the bashing for an opinion. Atleast your passionate about knots. You'd have thought I insulted your first born. But I stand by my statement. And I'd dare say I can tie knots including a leader knot as well or better than you can... Calm down there. No reason to get all spooled up. There are a lot of readers on here new to the sport of fishing and I didn't want them to get the wrong impression by your comment that it is just "your" belief and not based in fact that leader knots fail. Like I said, If you or anyone else will take the time to learn how to tie knots correctly they will work. Some work better than others as you can view results of Knot Wars on youtube. Another person on here commented that he has never had a leader knot fail either, so you must be doing something wrong if your knots are failing. My comments are not bashing,they are factual, you or anyone else either knows how to tie a knot that will hold of you don't, simple as that. In your second post you stated that your fishing style doesn't benefit from leaders and knots. What fishing style doesn't use knots? That's a new one to me. BTW my first born knows how to tie knots correctly also, just for your information.
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Re: Braid to Fluoro
[Re: Frank the Tank]
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02/16/17 01:39 PM
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Brad R
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I just don't see how you guys tie this thing in a 15-20 MPH wind on the lake. I break off line all the time fishing drop shots on structure and tie on more flouro, I just don't see how you can possibly do this sitting on a boat in the wind. Frank, some versions of tying it are better and faster than others. That "hold the line in your mouth" and let the rod fall away to create tension routine is a ridiculous way to tie it. One Aussie in a video does it best I think. Still, if I tie an FG, it is the night before, not on my kayak nor would I tie it on a boat. My neighbor has a GoPro and a YouTube channel, said he'd let me show some knot tying tricks, one of which is a better way to tie an Alberto/Albright knot. I have found the Albright knot to be more than adequate and it ties in about 20% (or less) of the time of an FG. Still, on bench tests, the FG is the strongest junction knot by a good margin and it is super thin, too. Anyway, I have settled on the Albright over an FG or a double uni junction knot. Brad
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