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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954500 11/28/16 01:12 PM
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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: SteezMacQueen] #11954505 11/28/16 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: SteezMacQueen
Won't be long and boats will need an annual inspection like motor vehicles. Lights will be the least of the problems. Haha


We already have one form of inspection. The GWs do it and the CG does it on the coast. Keep your boat compliant with the safety regs and you should have no problem being inspected. If you don't support that, maybe seeing a couple of boat fires, explosions, collisions, and observing recovery operations might change your mind.


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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: SteezMacQueen] #11954538 11/28/16 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: SteezMacQueen
New boats are being sold with non conforming lighting. I have one. And I can't imagine what my smart [censored] would say if I was confronted by a game warden about them. I'm sure I would talk myself into several citations.


Why bother? Take the ticket and go see the judge, getting more tickets "just because" doesn't make sense. If the GW is wrong, you win, if you're wrong, take it up with your boat manufacturer.


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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954540 11/28/16 01:39 PM
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On my back white light, I'm going to use common sense and use what is brightest. I currently have exactly what Marc said he has - a white LED strip wrapped all the way around the top. There's no comparison to the brightness of that LED strip versus the old pole light. I do understand the issue with the front lights regarding angle. I also have the LED strips in my rub rail and at the right angle you can actually see both the red and green at the same time. I realize that isn't the optimal setup, and I will prolly start using my pole more upfront.

You can't convince me to use my pole in the back. It's not as bright and there's no reason to revert back to it. There is zero reason my LED light isn't safer.

Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954561 11/28/16 01:53 PM
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From a distance you can see the LED lights much better and you cannot tell they are a series of lights verses one light.

I took a picture of the boat in the water with lights on and there just is no way to see that it is a series of lights.

I was just passing along the info in this post and I am going to look into what is Coast Guard Approved just to be sure.

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All you have to do is READ what is on the packaging. It has to state USCG Approved 33 CFR 183.810 with it's info below that. PERIOD Whether a strand of lights or a single bulb. Before you get someone selling these lights and installing them for a fee, inquire about the packaging info FIRST.

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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: SteezMacQueen] #11954611 11/28/16 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: SteezMacQueen
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i thought some of the newer boats are coming with LEDs in the front. I found an alert addressing DIY type LED installs

https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg545/alerts/1015.pdf
yep. New boats are being sold with non conforming lighting. I have one. And I can't imagine what my smart [censored] would say if I was confronted by a game warden about them. I'm sure I would talk myself into several citations.


What kind of new boat are you referring to, Steez? I have a '14 Skeeter with the red and green LEDs (single lights) encased in a stainless steel housing and inset into the top cap on the nose of my boat. These are USCG approved. How many tickets have you received?


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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954618 11/28/16 02:23 PM
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Dumb question: do the boats that are being sold with LED lights in the rub rail also come with light poles and mounting locations for poles? Or do they only come with the LED strips?


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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954639 11/28/16 02:31 PM
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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954675 11/28/16 02:56 PM
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Just another example of a government agency being wrong and some sort of red tape or regulation keeping people from using a better alternative. its like arguing with a women.... You might be right but your still wrong...

Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: fouzman] #11954681 11/28/16 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: SteezMacQueen
Originally Posted By: K.D.
i thought some of the newer boats are coming with LEDs in the front. I found an alert addressing DIY type LED installs

https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg545/alerts/1015.pdf
yep. New boats are being sold with non conforming lighting. I have one. And I can't imagine what my smart [censored] would say if I was confronted by a game warden about them. I'm sure I would talk myself into several citations.


What kind of new boat are you referring to, Steez? I have a '14 Skeeter with the red and green LEDs (single lights) encased in a stainless steel housing and inset into the top cap on the nose of my boat. These are USCG approved. How many tickets have you received?

These are what I have been seeing on the new boats and what I plan to install on my skeeter. Issue seems to be the use of LED strips which are composed of more than one LED light.

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Using USCG lighting regs on freshwater boats, in my opinion, is flawed. The single white stern light (anchor light) is good for saltwater, but it sure looks like a dock light or someone's porch light on the lake, especially if the boat is idling or sitting still.

A bright red/green/blue stern light would sure identify the boat a lot better in low light conditions and at night. This was brought up to the Evinrude guys and they agreed it was a great idea, possibly building red LEDs lights into the back of the mid housing of the engine. Boat manufacturers could also install flush mounted LEDs to the transom.


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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: V-Bottom] #11954695 11/28/16 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: V-Bottom
All you have to do is READ what is on the packaging. It has to state USCG Approved 33 CFR 183.810 with it's info below that. PERIOD Whether a strand of lights or a single bulb. Before you get someone selling these lights and installing them for a fee, inquire about the packaging info FIRST.


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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Bob Landry] #11954707 11/28/16 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bob Landry
The USCG ruling is not just for color and visibility. The angle of visibility also helps you determine not only the direction another boat is moving. It also gives you an approximate position of the other boat to help you make ROW decisions. I agree with toadrustler. . Stick in the pole and hit the water. There's nothing to gain by going down the lake looking like a Christmas tree except blinding or confusing another boater on the water. But then a lot of guys aren't worried about that as long as they are "blingier" than the rest.



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Re: LED Nav Lights NOT LEGAL ... Must Read [Re: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell] #11954733 11/28/16 03:32 PM
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I rode around with a game warden this summer and he said it is not illegal to have them but they DONT replace your nav lights. So if you have LEDs you still need nav lights.

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