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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: sprigsss]
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08/08/16 02:24 PM
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grout-scout
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The reason why BASS set the rule that you have to fish out of a similar boat all year round is to keep the playing field as level as possible.
Those that are well known like KVD, Roland Martin, etc etc.... They have access are can get those types of different boats better than a no name person.
The reason for the change was an unfair advantage, they simply have either deep pockets or access to that equipment. Not everyone has that option. I disagree. I think they want everyone fishing out of fiberglass boats because they want the general public to believe you have to have all of the high dollar equipment to compete, catch fish, and win. They are scared that if too many people start winning in $20,000 rigs, it will hurt the bass fishing industry. You telling me a person new to the sport has an easier time getting a $75,000 bass boat than a $20,000 aluminum boat? A person has to have money no matter what to buy a $75k boat.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 02:36 PM
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Clark3
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All we need is for someone to win in a kayak so the kayak boys can stand on their soap box for a little while.
Geez, his winning had nothing to do with his boat. He's a great angler. All you aluminum boat guys have a chip on your shoulder, no one ever said is the boat that wins for you, or that if you fish out of an aluminum boat you're inferior. If you can find a post or an article that says otherwise please post it. It's almost like you're jealous of guys that can afford a nice fiberglass boat that cost 60k. Give it a break already, no one Sees you on the lake and thinks, oh that guy sucks he's in a alum boat! I know y'all think that's what we do but we don't I promise
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 03:13 PM
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Fishingking
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Fish don't bite based on boat.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Amackmac]
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08/08/16 03:18 PM
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BMCD
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The camera boats were following him in fiberglass boats. Byron was watching him from a fiberglass Ranger. I dont think tin was an advantage this time. He just out fished everyone else. Aluminum I know. Tin....aluminum.. all the same. My point is it was water that was accessible by any boat. So no advantage.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 03:25 PM
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Donald Harper
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A alum. boat with a 200 on it, is not cheap. Don't know his brand but has to be a 20 ft. boat or close to it; so in the neighbor hood of 30K.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 03:46 PM
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buton
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That boat is not cheap and i bet the price might be around the 40k to 50k range...
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: sprigsss]
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08/08/16 03:54 PM
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ChampionDon (SkeeterDon)
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The reason why BASS set the rule that you have to fish out of a similar boat all year round is to keep the playing field as level as possible.
Those that are well known like KVD, Roland Martin, etc etc.... They have access are can get those types of different boats better than a no name person.
The reason for the change was an unfair advantage, they simply have either deep pockets or access to that equipment. Not everyone has that option. I disagree. I think they want everyone fishing out of fiberglass boats because they want the general public to believe you have to have all of the high dollar equipment to compete, catch fish, and win. They are scared that if too many people start winning in $20,000 rigs, it will hurt the bass fishing industry. You telling me a person new to the sport has an easier time getting a $75,000 bass boat than a $20,000 aluminum boat? No what I am telling you is that it is easier for a person to get an aluminum boat with a status of a Roland Martin, KVD etc, who already fishes out of a 21' boat as opposed to a no name who is fishing out of a 20' bass boat. If I find the article I will post it. That is the primary reason they made that rule change. I think I also read it in BASS Magazine.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 03:57 PM
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mikey6345
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Think of the gas savings he gets with this setup both on the water and with his tow vehicle. As far as these guys drive each year on the road that has to add up.
I have a tin boat and definitely have some envy when I look at the high end bass boats but at the end of the day I have absolutely no need for an expensive boat. I don't fish enough to warrant the spend but I don't have a problem with guys that spend that much. I think the fact this guy wins in one helps validate you don't need all the high end stuff to compete and win when you are a great angler.
I agree with a point above about this possible making the industry a little nervous given the amount of upmarket stuff coming out each year.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 04:00 PM
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Mark Perry
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The only thing that really matters is just how talented of an angler he is. He could have won from a kayak if that is all he had. He knows his strengths and he has faith in himself. The rest is just meaningless details.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 04:04 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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You can buy that boat for 32k. It's 1500lbs dry without motor.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 04:57 PM
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Razorback
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Didn't he win in an aluminum boat on either Toledo Bend or the Red River a few years ago?
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Neal G]
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08/08/16 07:18 PM
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BASS101
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BASS made the ruling when Biffle won on the river after he borrowed a tin boat with jet drive. No one could run where he was running with a fiberglass boat because they would have tore it up bad! Biffle is the first one to say "if you can't see it it's not there" talking about stumps.......
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: goodman1389]
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08/08/16 08:06 PM
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LakeForkGroupie
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He also did it without any electronics which is impressive to me. He used GPS only, no sonar so that he wouldn't be tempted to fish deep which is not his strong point. Maybe I need to throw my electronics overboard! That was last year. This year he put sonar on as he needed to be more flexible. I like follow Cox, just because he is a bit more non conventional. He is the only one on FLW running the tin boat I believe, last year did no sonar. I think his approach is unique. He just has more of a "bubba" feel than "pro" feel. So I like to route for him and his quarks.
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Re: John Cox's Tin Boat - What is the big deal???
[Re: Razorback]
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08/08/16 08:07 PM
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LakeForkGroupie
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Didn't he win in an aluminum boat on either Toledo Bend or the Red River a few years ago? Cox's first win on FLW was the Red River, second one was earlier this year, third one was the Forrest Wood Cup on Sunday.
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