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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353075 01/18/16 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: BlueNitro
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Has anyone ran their lss-1 through a Gen 2 touch 12? I am trying to decide between a used HDS 10 gen 2 or new touch 12


I have been told that it has to be a LSS-2 module to work with the Touch units.


Not true again, someone tells you a lot of bad info. frkazoid

If you want to best downscan possible then you want to find a lss1 and run it on 800. The lss2's DI can't touch the lss1's clarity.

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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353084 01/18/16 02:30 PM
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There is no need to connect touch unit to lss-2 box unless you just want that. (Some say that is better; I don't know, haven't compared.)

LSS-2 transducer will connect directly to the touch 12, no LSS-2 box required. I don't believe LSS-1 transducer will work direct to a Touch model.

LSS-1 transducer to an LSS-1 box CAN be connected to ANY HDS display via Ethernet.

Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353088 01/18/16 02:32 PM
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You guys need to join bbc so you can get educated on what Lowrance can and can't do.
Lss1 works directly into the touch graph, exact same plug.


They say (the guys who experiment) say that the absolute best images come from a lss1 ducer plugged into a LSS2 module. I've never tried it though.

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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353091 01/18/16 02:33 PM
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Grout, I sent Jbell a detailed PM response he has not bothered to read.

Not sure why they ask then ignore.

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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: grout-scout] #11353109 01/18/16 02:42 PM
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[quote=grout-scout]You guys need to join bbc so you can get educated on what Lowrance can and can't do.
Lss1 works directly into the touch graph, exact same plug.


They say (the guys who experiment) say that the absolute best images come from a lss1 ducer plugged into a LSS2 module. I've never tried it though. [/quote,

If the lss 1/2 plug is the same, why is there a $99 adapter cable to plug LSS2 into lss1 box? Same plug maybe but not same electrical?

Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353112 01/18/16 02:44 PM
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Does a sonar hub enhance the down scan or side scan image if you run the LSS2 transducer through it on a Gen 2 touch screen unit? It was my understanding that the sonar hub only enhanced the sonar frequency for CHIRP.

I have a TM150 transducer mounted on the transom of the boat and have it linked to the Sonar Hub. Then I have the LSS2 transducer mounted under the boat running directly to the touch 12 on the console. The Sonar Hub is then linked to the 12 through an Ethernet cable. I was told that If I ran both the TM150 and the LSS2 through the Sonar Hub that I would not be able to do a sonar/ down image or side image split screen because the unit (12 touch) wouldn't know which transducer to read from.

Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: Flippin-Out] #11353139 01/18/16 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
[quote=grout-scout]You guys need to join bbc so you can get educated on what Lowrance can and can't do.
Lss1 works directly into the touch graph, exact same plug.


They say (the guys who experiment) say that the absolute best images come from a lss1 ducer plugged into a LSS2 module. I've never tried it though. [/quote,

If the lss 1/2 plug is the same, why is there a $99 adapter cable to plug LSS2 into lss1 box? Same plug maybe but not same electrical?


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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353160 01/18/16 03:09 PM
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the Sonar Hub IS MADE to run both CHIRP (improoved broadband sonar) AND StructureScan. Why anyone would tell you that you can't baffles me. Each transducer results in a stream of data. So, you get a broadband stream of data and a StructureScan stream of data. Both are available via Ethernet. What you decide to view on a split screen configuration has nothing to do with where the transducer is connected....just that you want certain data in a certain area of the display.

If the LSS-2 transducer is connected to Sonar Hub, LSS-2 transducer data is processed by Sonar Hub and will be available to all networked HDS units via Ethernet.

If the LSS-2 transducer is connected directly to the Touch unit, LSS-2 transducer data is processed by the SS processor embedded in the Touch unit. This data in turn is available to other units on the network.

I have not done this as I don't have a Sonar Hub, but the concept is the same with all external SS processor boxes. You may need to go into the Touch SS menu and select the correct source you want used. You also separately can select which source you want to use for broadband sonar (the Sonar Hub in your case).

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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: ezbassin] #11353212 01/18/16 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: ezbassin
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[quote=grout-scout]You guys need to join bbc so you can get educated on what Lowrance can and can't do.
Lss1 works directly into the touch graph, exact same plug.


They say (the guys who experiment) say that the absolute best images come from a lss1 ducer plugged into a LSS2 module. I've never tried it though. [/quote,

If the lss 1/2 plug is the same, why is there a $99 adapter cable to plug LSS2 into lss1 box? Same plug maybe but not same electrical?


HMMM

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/lowrance--...EmblRoC717w_wcB


The description says: "....Adapts LSS-1 transducers to HDS Gen2 Touch units" implying that I should not plug the LSS-1 transducer directly into the Touch unit.

Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353226 01/18/16 03:42 PM
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Ok, then I should connect the LSS2 transducer through the sonar hub since it is linked to the touch 12 with an Ethernet cable, correct? I have a touch 9 up front with a HDMI transducer connected to it. I have the touch 12 linked to the 9 with an Ethernet cable also. I also have a point 1 connected to the touch 12 and a standard 83/200 transducer mounted in the boat going directly to the touch 12. I connected the 83/200 transducer to the touch 12 so I can have a sonar reading while running on pad. The TM150 is out of the water while on pad. Would it be better to run the 83/200 through the sonar hub and just cut the TM150 out of the system altogether?

How should I have all this hooked up to give me the best pictures of sonar and Down scan and side scan?


I set up my system based on information from people that were supposed to be Lowrance tech's that even teach classes on electronics.


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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: Flippin-Out] #11353247 01/18/16 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
Grout, I sent Jbell a detailed PM response he has not bothered to read.

Not sure why they ask then ignore.


The sensitivity on the forum never ceases to amaze me.

You sent me a PM that in no way answered my simple question like Grout-scout did indeed answer. You simply stated your opinion on Lowrance and their units which was no way tied to the question that I asked, therefore did not require any response from me when I read LAST NIGHT.


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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: Flippin-Out] #11353249 01/18/16 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Flippin-Out
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[quote=grout-scout]You guys need to join bbc so you can get educated on what Lowrance can and can't do.
Lss1 works directly into the touch graph, exact same plug.


They say (the guys who experiment) say that the absolute best images come from a lss1 ducer plugged into a LSS2 module. I've never tried it though. [/quote,

If the lss 1/2 plug is the same, why is there a $99 adapter cable to plug LSS2 into lss1 box? Same plug maybe but not same electrical?


HMMM

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/lowrance--...EmblRoC717w_wcB


The description says: "....Adapts LSS-1 transducers to HDS Gen2 Touch units" implying that I should not plug the LSS-1 transducer directly into the Touch unit.



Ok, you win spend the money and get the same results. Lol

Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: grout-scout] #11353271 01/18/16 04:02 PM
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Oh, I would not put that past Lowrance! I was asking sincerely if you know the real scoop....not trying to argue....but to understand. In the work I did, we NEVER designed things with a connector that mated but didn't work. That was a bad idea.

Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353281 01/18/16 04:06 PM
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I have heard from a respected crappie fisherman that it improved his images by 20%.


I call BS. I'm not saying that image isn't better.....but to pull some random number from his rear?? I have never scanned the same area at the same time to compare with one another, but then again I never really needed to because both setups offered superb quality pics.

There are guys all over the net that swear that the box gives a better image. There are probably the same number of folks that say it doesn't. Bottom line is that there are too many factors that can contribute to image quality. Xducer placement, water clarity, speed of vessel, depth, chop on water, interference through other electronics just to name a few. He might feel like it gave a better quality image but how did he test? Were scans done at the same time with both units? Were they atleast done on the same day under same conditions on the exact same track? Who knows.

End of the day my opinion is that you do not need it to attain great images and provide you with the insight needed to find fish. If you are looking to read the word goodyear on a tire in 50ft of water, chances are you are spending too much time reading your graph and not enough time whacking fish.


Wow, some ones panties got bunched up!!! Maybe it was only 19.99999% of an improvement. chill

I primarily fish for crappie so I want the best possible image I can get. I have seen his images on his Touch compared to mine and you can see a difference in my opinion.


No one got their panties in a wad. But you just reiterated what I'm telling you exactly. You are saying his image on his boat is better than your image on your boat. Two different setups scanning different conditions. As far as I know he is electronic savy and can tune a unit and perhaps you cannot. I'm not implying this about you, but you get my point. All those things I mentioned contribute to overall image quality. One thing off can make a difference. Have someone that understands this tune your unit to the conditions you fish. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but the fact is you cannot compare 2 different outcomes in a non controlled environment and then fabricate random percentages to justify your claim. I'd be more than happy to assist you with some basic settings if needed.....


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Re: Lowrance LSS-2 StructureScan Module? [Re: BlueNitro] #11353334 01/18/16 04:31 PM
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FYI guys. I have fished with Blue Nitro quite a bit. His unit is tuned very well. He doesn't have an issue there.

But, I call BS on 20% also. I'm saying 12.3% improvement tops.

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