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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188059 10/26/15 11:11 PM
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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188090 10/26/15 11:22 PM
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The biggest job of the "state", in my opinion, is the "state" should do everything in it's power to improve the economy in the state.

Limiting fishing on Fork will cost many locals a lot of money, this hurts the state by basically limiting the tax base in the area. It's hard for a lot of people to see that discouraging or even worse regulating the numbers that can fish Fork will cost some people their livelihood. Once you have created something that drives the economy in an area, it is not likely the state will come in and say we need to cut your customers by XXX%.

Though once you involve politicians, nothing would really surprise me at this point.

The lake is older and has changed, more than likely it will never come back to it's heyday. But, putting regulations in place to take money out of people's pockets isn't the way to "fix" Fork.


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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188211 10/27/15 12:16 AM
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I agree Doug.

There are a lot of good hardworking folks around the lake that can attest to how bad it got in the years following the virus. Many businesses around the lake never recovered. The financial impact was felt in the DFW metroplex as well. Boat dealerships and tackle shops felt the pain.

I am the eternal optimist however. I am hopeful that Fork will bounce back with the new water levels and the great spawn from this year. That coupled with a new lake in North Texas in 3-4 years makes me more optimistic than ever. The lure of a new lake with lots of dumb fish is a strong lure for many anglers.

I had the opportunity to fish 250 days/ year when Fork was in its heyday from "88 to '91. I am not naive enough to think that she will ever return to that status but I still firmly believe Fork has the potential to produce more double digit fish than any other lake in Texas. Will she ever produce another state record? Who knows? I would say the odds are against it but I have been wrong before.



Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188265 10/27/15 12:41 AM
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If they didn't stock Rayburn and toledo the fishing would suffer. The amount of quality fish moved around or kept from those 2 lakes is staggering compared to fork where majority are protected

Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188530 10/27/15 02:14 AM
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I know it makes sense that stocking automatically leads to better fishing but in reality there are few situations where stocking hatchery-raised largemouth bass on top of wild LMB populations does anything more than feeding resident predators. It works when habitat is limiting reproduction or some other factor is limiting recruitment.

On the other hand, there aren't many things you can do to a 100k, 50k, even a 25k acre lake to substantially improve fishing across the entire lake. Habitat enhancement and maximizing forage is probably a more cost-effective route. But, it doesn't look as good on paper as stocking 200k LMB fingerlings each year.


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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: Outdoordude] #11188556 10/27/15 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: Outdoordude
I know it makes sense that stocking automatically leads to better fishing but in reality there are few situations where stocking hatchery-raised largemouth bass on top of wild LMB populations does anything more than feeding resident predators. It works when habitat is limiting reproduction or some other factor is limiting recruitment.

On the other hand, there aren't many things you can do to a 100k, 50k, even a 25k acre lake to substantially improve fishing across the entire lake. Habitat enhancement and maximizing forage is probably a more cost-effective route. But, it doesn't look as good on paper as stocking 200k LMB fingerlings each year.


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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188557 10/27/15 02:23 AM
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Maybe more big bass would be caught if the fisherman were all to use minnows instead of lures.

Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188575 10/27/15 02:30 AM
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Ok so the TPWD, stocks most lakes with fingerlings and fry, other than maybe cost and space, why don't they grow them a little bigger to 4-10" since only a very small % live when they release fingerlings and fry. if its cost and space maybe increase License a few $$$. what am i missing here.

Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188651 10/27/15 03:21 AM
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To the winner go the spoils.. checking back to when the Freshwater Fisheries was built it seems the city of Athens wanted it the most! cheers

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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188741 10/27/15 05:24 AM
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Why can't they just farm Hydrilla in all the lakes. Fertilize it and make sure it's healthy haha. My home Lake Jacksonville they stocked this year and I'm thankful for that but if the Hydrilla doesn't come back it will never be close to what it once was. I have nightmares about grass carp still.

Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: Ken A.] #11188791 10/27/15 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted By: Ken A.
Fork has been the Crown Jewel of Texas lakes for three decades. That one lake has poured millions, if not billions of dollars into the Texas economy. So to echo Mark's question, Why would they not??


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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: txmasterpo] #11188838 10/27/15 11:16 AM
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I wonder why Rayburn doesn't get Share A Lunker stockings like Lake Fork?

Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: Bass-N-Buck Master] #11188963 10/27/15 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bass-N-Buck Master
Ok so the TPWD, stocks most lakes with fingerlings and fry, other than maybe cost and space, why don't they grow them a little bigger to 4-10" since only a very small % live when they release fingerlings and fry. if its cost and space maybe increase License a few $$$. what am i missing here.


Because when they reach 3" fingerling size they start to eat each other.

Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: Bruce Allen] #11188979 10/27/15 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bruce Allen
Lake Fork IS the grand experiment. Before it was ever flooded TPWD had brood ponds going all over the bottoms full of Florida strain bass.

Back in the late 80's and early 90's Lake Fork was the lake of record for Texas. The experiment worked. I believe if the large mouth bass virus had not hit Fork and 22 other lakes in the south Fork would have broken the record over and over.

According to Gary DeArmand who was guiding on the lake at that time you could literally walk on all the 10 lb+ bass floating on the north end. Up where Ethel was caught.

And even though the lake has seemed to recover those large schools of "big bass" are just rarely caught. But Fork is still pumping out enough big bass to keep a lot of people interested in visiting in the hope of catching their bass of a lifetime. Just look at the surveys in all of the marinas. Pages upon pages of 7 lb plus bass listed. And most don't take the time to even bother with it. I personally have never listed any big bass I have caught on them.

Lake Fork has left a trail all over Texas. From the surveys done by TPWD and using DNA they know exactly where a bass came from. The share a lunker program "babies" have been spread throughout our state for the betterment of us all.




It was more of a [censored] shoot than an experiment. If it was an experiment that worked, the TPWD would be replicating Forks all over the state. The truth is, the TPWD doesn't know why Fork is Fork. But, they do know, that as with any government job, you have to CYA. No one with the TPWD is going to let Fork fail on their watch. (Okay, dice game)

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Re: TPWD favoritism of Lake Fork [Re: slim 285] #11188999 10/27/15 01:06 PM
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The SAL program and TPWD killed Llake Fork. Look at the average SAL since the program started on Lake Fork, they have gotten continuously smaller and less frequent on average since the program started. Data is there plain and simple.

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