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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10901555 06/07/15 10:41 PM
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Q: What is a public lake?
A: The typical public lake in Texas was created by building a dam on a navigable stream. When a navigable stream is dammed, the resulting lake is a public lake, and the public may boat and fish on all of the lake's waters, not just that part directly above the streambed. Therefore, a property owner may not fence off any portion of such a lake.7 For other lakes, the test is whether the lake is navigable. Typically, the small natural lakes in Texas are held to be non-navigable, and therefore subject to private ownership and control. Manmade stock tanks and flood control ponds are usually non-navigable as well. The public has no right to boat, fish, or hunt in or on the waters of private lakes,8 and hunting or fishing without landowner consent is a crime.9 In order to encourage outdoor recreation, the legislature has limited the liability of landowners who allow the public to use their property for recreational purposes.10


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: Topwater2] #10901843 06/08/15 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: FishKen
There is a fence in Medina lake that goes across a cove. The owner was told the fence is illegal, many letters were written to TPW and to this day, the fence still stands. This fight to get it removed started some 15 to 20 years ago.


That cove hasn't seen water in many years since it was fenced off. The lake is down more than it's up so that's probably why he's gotten away with it for so long. Even if the lake came up to pool level which it will take to put water in that cove, it won't be there long anyway.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10901947 06/08/15 01:54 AM
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Without knowing the exact bit of land we're talking about, and assuming that you were operating a boat on the water, the short answer is that you're not trespassing ON their land. BUT, if your boat (kayak, etc) touches the shoreline within their property boundaries, then you are trespassing.

As a practical matter, it's kinda rude to intrude into an area that is normally someone's private property, even if it is temporarily flooded. Best to move along as you did.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: Jimbo] #10902074 06/08/15 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Originally Posted By: FishKen
There is a fence in Medina lake that goes across a cove. The owner was told the fence is illegal, many letters were written to TPW and to this day, the fence still stands. This fight to get it removed started some 15 to 20 years ago.


That cove hasn't seen water in many years since it was fenced off. The lake is down more than it's up so that's probably why he's gotten away with it for so long. Even if the lake came up to pool level which it will take to put water in that cove, it won't be there long anyway.




That fence was put up when the lake had water in it. But yes, as we all know, the lake is down more often than full, maybe that's how they get away with it.

Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10902271 06/08/15 08:07 AM
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Someone put up a gate on a little cove on the Brazos above Lake Granbury. Some authority came and made them remove it. Sometimes when I fish that cove, the guy gets in his Ranger ATV and drives down closer to the water to watch us. Guess he thinks we are up to no good.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: grout-scout] #10902569 06/08/15 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
Originally Posted By: Jimbo
Originally Posted By: FishKen
There is a fence in Medina lake that goes across a cove. The owner was told the fence is illegal, many letters were written to TPW and to this day, the fence still stands. This fight to get it removed started some 15 to 20 years ago.


That cove hasn't seen water in many years since it was fenced off. The lake is down more than it's up so that's probably why he's gotten away with it for so long. Even if the lake came up to pool level which it will take to put water in that cove, it won't be there long anyway.




That fence was put up when the lake had water in it. But yes, as we all know, the lake is down more often than full, maybe that's how they get away with it.


The last laugh was on him if the reason he fenced off the cove was that he wanted his own private lake, because the lake went down faster than the ink dried on the reciept that he got after buying all that expensive fence wire and posts to put up that fence.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: PondFishin] #10904421 06/09/15 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted By: PondFishin
I would have told the security guard he was mistaken and to call a manager down or the police if he wanted to push it, I'm 99% sure you were doing nothing wrong with grapevine being a COE lake..

Did you go in by glass cactus and then continue back through the flooded trees? I was over there yesterday and didn't get bothered.
I would have told him to pound sand


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10904460 06/09/15 02:27 AM
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http://www.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/grapevine/Realestate/Feeland/index.asp

If it has got water on it...it is pretty much public land on Lake Grapevine. I think gvine might be a half a foot over flood pool.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10904463 06/09/15 02:28 AM
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The other thing to consider...it is federal land...not state.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10904710 06/09/15 04:12 AM
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I've had a fence removed a couple of times on a river that dude thinks he owns.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10906671 06/10/15 12:24 AM
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Pretty much all you need to know here. http://www.nationalrivers.org/


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10908524 06/10/15 04:53 PM
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This doesn't help answer the question, just throws some disbelief on it. Some years ago I read in an outdoor or fishing magazine (Outdoor Life or something in that vein) about a fishing in flowing water issue. Stream/riverbank owners owned the land, including that under the water, but not the water. It was illegal to fish from the bank or while wading without the landowners permission. BUT if you were afloat in boat, tube, whatever, it was perfectly legal because you weren't 'physically on' the land.


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10908831 06/10/15 06:51 PM
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From what I know from a Game Warden, He was explaining private land and public water, with a certain example. If you have piece of land that has a river or some public water that cuts through it, then being on the that water is not trespassing, but if they touch the bank they can be arrested for trespassing.

So as long as you don't hop out of your boat at the Gaylord, your good to go.

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Originally Posted By: LakeForkGroupie
From what I know from a Game Warden, He was explaining private land and public water, with a certain example. If you have piece of land that has a river or some public water that cuts through it, then being on the that water is not trespassing, but if they touch the bank they can be arrested for trespassing.

So as long as you don't hop out of your boat at the Gaylord, your good to go.


That isn't a exactly true. You have the right to reasonable portage:
https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/nonp...ndportage.phtml


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Re: Private property vs. public lake question [Re: iasc] #10910393 06/11/15 12:15 PM
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