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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885712 05/31/15 09:56 PM
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That truck is pushing that jeep with a stiff chain....seen it before. stir



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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885731 05/31/15 10:09 PM
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I have had a Jeep for over 20 years, I love my CJ

I bought a new 4 door wrangler in 2012, and it was the biggest piece of [censored] I have ever owned. The customer service from Chrysler was an absolute joke. I love jeeps but I had so many problems with that Jeep I couldn't get rid of it soon enough. And it was a bit of a struggle towing my Triton 186.

Traded it in for a 2014 Toyota Tundra, the big one. I love this truck, pulls the boat like it's not even back there and the customer service is amazing. Bumper to bumper coverage,
100k miles, LIFETIME power trane warranty from Toyota.
I have yet to pay for an oil change and they have free assistance. Meaning if you get stuck anywhere in the continental US and they can find you, they send someone to help you.
Stuck in the mud, run out of gas, have a blow out, whatever. As long as you have a cell
Signal and they can find you, they are sending someone. No charge. It's part of the deal
With Toyota.

I'm no salesman or have any affiliation with any of them, and like I said I have had a jeep forever and I love them but mine was a lemon, the dealership was trash ( Clay Cooley in Irving) and the Toyota experience has been amazing

I had a 2004, 4 door Tacoma that I had almost 200k miles on and never had an issue with it, I traded it in for that 2012 wrangler and that was a huge mistake.


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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885741 05/31/15 10:16 PM
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My wife has a 2012 Wrangler. It has a 3" lift & 35" tires. Only way it's gonna get 15 mpg is going down hill, a really long hill.

Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: TallBaldCypress] #10885753 05/31/15 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: B. Dill
I've got an ecodiesel and I'm convinced it's the perfect tow vehicle. 24 city, 28 hwy and 15 towing 21' bass boat. 240hp and 440 torque. Small displacement diesels are the future. Ford and Chevy need to get on board.

I'm also convinced people don't know how to calculate fuel mileage. smile


On second thought. Even my wife is screaming bs at my jeep comment. She said I "drink the cool ade"'too much on the jeep thing. Lol she says my jeep is a gas guzzling pig. Haha.

It does get good mileage for a 4x4. And towing isn't bad at all. Maybe more like 15-16.


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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: SteezMacQueen] #10885764 05/31/15 10:28 PM
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not close...

Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885781 05/31/15 10:41 PM
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I havnt seen a jeep pull a boat at 75-85 either. I like the Eco diesel but can't justify the cost of a running a diesel. I thought about a dodge 2500 with 6.4 hemi. I'd be happy with 11mpg towing at 75

Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885782 05/31/15 10:41 PM
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Maybe somewhere around 12-13 witch isn't bad for a jeep when towing something. My friends keep drinks gas and gets around 11 tops when we're poulling the boat


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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Slade] #10885792 05/31/15 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Slade
I have had a Jeep for over 20 years, I love my CJ

I bought a new 4 door wrangler in 2012, and it was the biggest piece of [censored] I have ever owned. The customer service from Chrysler was an absolute joke. I love jeeps but I had so many problems with that Jeep I couldn't get rid of it soon enough. And it was a bit of a struggle towing my Triton 186.

Traded it in for a 2014 Toyota Tundra, the big one. I love this truck, pulls the boat like it's not even back there and the customer service is amazing. Bumper to bumper coverage,
100k miles, LIFETIME power trane warranty from Toyota.
I have yet to pay for an oil change and they have free assistance. Meaning if you get stuck anywhere in the continental US and they can find you, they send someone to help you.
Stuck in the mud, run out of gas, have a blow out, whatever. As long as you have a cell
Signal and they can find you, they are sending someone. No charge. It's part of the deal
With Toyota.

I'm no salesman or have any affiliation with any of them, and like I said I have had a jeep forever and I love them but mine was a lemon, the dealership was trash ( Clay Cooley in Irving) and the Toyota experience has been amazing

I had a 2004, 4 door Tacoma that I had almost 200k miles on and never had an issue with it, I traded it in for that 2012 wrangler and that was a huge mistake.

Shop me fist, Shop me last, either way, come see Clay! bang

Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885807 05/31/15 10:58 PM
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I get 12 mpg with my Dodge 1500 w/ 5.7L Hemi pulling a Ranger 519C. When I make a change it will be to the 1/2 ton diesel

Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Slade] #10885814 05/31/15 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Slade
I have had a Jeep for over 20 years, I love my CJ

I bought a new 4 door wrangler in 2012, and it was the biggest piece of [censored] I have ever owned. The customer service from Chrysler was an absolute joke. I love jeeps but I had so many problems with that Jeep I couldn't get rid of it soon enough. And it was a bit of a struggle towing my Triton 186.

Traded it in for a 2014 Toyota Tundra, the big one. I love this truck, pulls the boat like it's not even back there and the customer service is amazing. Bumper to bumper coverage,
100k miles, LIFETIME power trane warranty from Toyota.
I have yet to pay for an oil change and they have free assistance. Meaning if you get stuck anywhere in the continental US and they can find you, they send someone to help you.
Stuck in the mud, run out of gas, have a blow out, whatever. As long as you have a cell
Signal and they can find you, they are sending someone. No charge. It's part of the deal
With Toyota.

I'm no salesman or have any affiliation with any of them, and like I said I have had a jeep forever and I love them but mine was a lemon, the dealership was trash ( Clay Cooley in Irving) and the Toyota experience has been amazing

I had a 2004, 4 door Tacoma that I had almost 200k miles on and never had an issue with it, I traded it in for that 2012 wrangler and that was a huge mistake.
+1 TSS TOYOTA 2014 PULL BETTER THAN MY Z-71 CHEVY.


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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Smurfs] #10885820 05/31/15 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: Smurfs
Originally Posted By: Slade
I have had a Jeep for over 20 years, I love my CJ

I bought a new 4 door wrangler in 2012, and it was the biggest piece of [censored] I have ever owned. The customer service from Chrysler was an absolute joke. I love jeeps but I had so many problems with that Jeep I couldn't get rid of it soon enough. And it was a bit of a struggle towing my Triton 186.

Traded it in for a 2014 Toyota Tundra, the big one. I love this truck, pulls the boat like it's not even back there and the customer service is amazing. Bumper to bumper coverage,
100k miles, LIFETIME power trane warranty from Toyota.
I have yet to pay for an oil change and they have free assistance. Meaning if you get stuck anywhere in the continental US and they can find you, they send someone to help you.
Stuck in the mud, run out of gas, have a blow out, whatever. As long as you have a cell
Signal and they can find you, they are sending someone. No charge. It's part of the deal
With Toyota.

I'm no salesman or have any affiliation with any of them, and like I said I have had a jeep forever and I love them but mine was a lemon, the dealership was trash ( Clay Cooley in Irving) and the Toyota experience has been amazing

I had a 2004, 4 door Tacoma that I had almost 200k miles on and never had an issue with it, I traded it in for that 2012 wrangler and that was a huge mistake.

Shop me fist, Shop me last, either way, come see Clay! bang


One of my many frustrations. Clay Cooley bought out the previous dealership. Then when I was having so many issues they pulled the, you didn't buy it from us card.

I said I bought the damn thing right here, some of the same vehicles are in the parking lot and it's a Chrysler product. It was the biggest pain in the [censored] and I hate everything about them now.


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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885822 05/31/15 11:06 PM
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Wow, I just wanted to see some stats not a brand battle... Lol

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I did not see the Oakley Bus as an option. smile

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Originally Posted By: Slade
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Originally Posted By: Slade
I have had a Jeep for over 20 years, I love my CJ

I bought a new 4 door wrangler in 2012, and it was the biggest piece of [censored] I have ever owned. The customer service from Chrysler was an absolute joke. I love jeeps but I had so many problems with that Jeep I couldn't get rid of it soon enough. And it was a bit of a struggle towing my Triton 186.

Traded it in for a 2014 Toyota Tundra, the big one. I love this truck, pulls the boat like it's not even back there and the customer service is amazing. Bumper to bumper coverage,
100k miles, LIFETIME power trane warranty from Toyota.
I have yet to pay for an oil change and they have free assistance. Meaning if you get stuck anywhere in the continental US and they can find you, they send someone to help you.
Stuck in the mud, run out of gas, have a blow out, whatever. As long as you have a cell
Signal and they can find you, they are sending someone. No charge. It's part of the deal
With Toyota.

I'm no salesman or have any affiliation with any of them, and like I said I have had a jeep forever and I love them but mine was a lemon, the dealership was trash ( Clay Cooley in Irving) and the Toyota experience has been amazing

I had a 2004, 4 door Tacoma that I had almost 200k miles on and never had an issue with it, I traded it in for that 2012 wrangler and that was a huge mistake.

Shop me fist, Shop me last, either way, come see Clay! bang


One of my many frustrations. Clay Cooley bought out the previous dealership. Then when I was having so many issues they pulled the, you didn't buy it from us card.

I said I bought the damn thing right here, some of the same vehicles are in the parking lot and it's a Chrysler product. It was the biggest pain in the [censored] and I hate everything about them now.
clay Cooley is the WORST chain of dealers in DFW! I deal work with dealers all the time in my line of work. The guy, clay Cooley, is about 5'2" tall. Little weasel. Lol. And his mgrs are are trained to screw everyone for every penny they can get.

That said, I think we've talked about your jeep experience. I know the '12's were issue prone. I know exactly what was wrong with yours. I also know exactly what the string of "put offs" that Chrysler corp had dealerships being told to do....to buy time. The entire 2012 run of 3.6L Pentastar motors had cylinder heads on the driver's side that were cast incorrectly. This caused VERY rapid wear of lifter bores. Now imagine the several hundred thousand 2012 3.6 motors, that were used in everything from chargers, challengers, 300's, 200's, ram trucks, mini vans, Jeep SUV's, etc. all throwing P020 codes with in 5-10k miles from new. There was no way for dealerships to warranty everything in a timely manner. Wasn't happening. So, they just kissed off every owner of a 3.6 powered vehicle that was purchased in 2012. They would say,"computer reflash", "new lifters", "bad oil filter", whatever. Knowing that it had to at best case have a new cylinder head. I, knowing the dealerships from business, had a 2013 motor installed in mine right from the first "P020, cylinder 2 misfire".

But, knowing what was going on behind the scenes, AND THAT YOU WERE DEALING WITH COOLEY!!!! You did the right thing. Trade it in. And bash jeep. Haha. It's what I did with my Ford Lightning and Doug Stanley. Lol

The Toyota truck you have is really nice. A good friend of mine uses his to tow his matching Nitro. They are great trucks. I really like the little things on them. Like the adjustable headlights. Very cool feature for towing and launching a boat. You will like it. Hell, we have two other vehicles, Lexus, made by Toyota. Very well made vehicles and beyond dependable. They simply do not ever break.


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Re: Tow Vehicle Survey [Re: Mark Jones] #10885908 05/31/15 11:49 PM
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Chevy all the way.

I retired from my business about 18 months ago and gave my 2001 Chevy 1500 4 WD to my son who took
over the business. It now has 240,000 miles on it, has the original transmission and doesn't take oil.

Ran into a guy at the post office in Denison and he had a 2000 GMC Sierra with (not kidding) over 400,000
miles on it and had the original transmission. Would not have believed that unless I saw it for myself.

The other truck I would consider owning is a Toyota Tundra-have always heard nothing but good about them.

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