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Re: More dead sal [Re: west tex angler] #10705549 03/18/15 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By: west tex angler
I bought a new boat one year ago. In that time, there hasn't been one bass in the livewell. Lots of five ,six, seven and even a 9lb-13oz didn't go in livewell as it was a 23" fish.
If I ever catch a 13lb+, you better believe I'm going to show it off. It may die, I think most of them do, but I'm going to have some fun with it and either get replica or have mounted.
As Forrest Gump once said, 'and that's all I have to say about that"...




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Re: More dead sal [Re: Ban-D] #10705553 03/18/15 08:31 PM
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It is a volunteer program.

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Re: More dead sal [Re: Ban-D] #10705555 03/18/15 08:31 PM
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company fish fry. mother nature took 2 for the team

Re: More dead sal [Re: fouzman] #10705556 03/18/15 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell
I would like to see a poll done for who is for the SAL and those against. I think a lot of you guys would be surprised at the numbers against it. I would be number one on the list against it. No way to prove it has helped cause if you look at the numbers before the program or as it started we have gone backwards IMO.

Our state record wont even make east or west coast top 25 list and they do not mess with the spawing process. de


Marc, is your opinion of us going backward based solely on what you've seen at Lake Fork? I could understand if that was your basis but, otherwise, I disagree.

FWIW, I think the SAL program is a cool idea, financed primarily with private dollars, that has served it's purpose and continues to do so. However I, like you, would never donate a fish to the program as I believe they are better left in their natural environment.



You disagree with him not liking the program but then agree that the fish is better off in its natural environment? hmmm

Re: More dead sal [Re: Ban-D] #10705557 03/18/15 08:31 PM
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I think the catch and release agenda got pushed too hard and caught on more than they had ever hoped and the fact that too many sport fishermen see keeping and eating fish as harmful to the fisheries, which leads to the programs not working as well as they should.

I'd bet my hard earned money that "we have gone backwards" because people used to keep what they caught a lot more often, and nowadays we aren't actively culling fish at nearly the same rates. A fishery can only support so much weight in fish, weather it is 100 1 lb bass or 10 10lb bass or 1 100lb bass. Everyone thinks if they throw back all of their smaller fish they will become bigger fish. That simply isn't the case and if you only practice catch and release, eventually you end up with a stunted fishery as the old large fish die off naturally and the overpopulated younger fish can't get bigger as they get older.

I am sure most fisheries aren't at population levels where the impact is immediately visible, but if you know anything about pond management or ever look into it, and see how quickly you can turn around a stunted pond, or look at newer lakes and how quickly their bass grow compared to existing fisheries where they stock new bass, it's astonishing.

I think it is very ignorant to look at a teeny tiny fraction of a picture of what is going on with TPWD and Texas' freshwater fisheries and believe you have a real understanding of any of it, especially without being highly educated to make such conclusions even if you had all of the past and present data in front of you. I'd call that a bit shortsighted to say the bare minimum. In the end, I'm just glad they care at all and do what they do and appreciate their efforts personally.

Re: More dead sal [Re: Ban-D] #10705561 03/18/15 08:33 PM
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For the love of all that's holy.....IT'S A FISH!!!

Re: More dead sal [Re: grout-scout] #10705564 03/18/15 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: grout-scout
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Originally Posted By: Lake Fork Guide Marc Mitchell
I would like to see a poll done for who is for the SAL and those against. I think a lot of you guys would be surprised at the numbers against it. I would be number one on the list against it. No way to prove it has helped cause if you look at the numbers before the program or as it started we have gone backwards IMO.

Our state record wont even make east or west coast top 25 list and they do not mess with the spawing process. de


Marc, is your opinion of us going backward based solely on what you've seen at Lake Fork? I could understand if that was your basis but, otherwise, I disagree.

FWIW, I think the SAL program is a cool idea, financed primarily with private dollars, that has served it's purpose and continues to do so. However I, like you, would never donate a fish to the program as I believe they are better left in their natural environment.



You disagree with him not liking the program but then agree that the fish is better off in its natural environment? hmmm


Yes. It's a personal choice. The program has done a ton for Texas and fishing in general and that's a good thing. My decision not to donate is based upon my personal experience with big fish, but I'm certainly not going to belittle an angler who catches a 13+ and donates her to the SAL program.


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Re: More dead sal [Re: horseplaydvm] #10705565 03/18/15 08:34 PM
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I used to be a big supporter of the SAL program. I'm quickly loosing faith.
I wonder what everyone's opinion would be if these were their children instead of fish that were being cared for? Just food for thought.



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Re: More dead sal [Re: Ban-D] #10705578 03/18/15 08:38 PM
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maybe Texas should go the way of the northern states. No SAL prgrams, no stocking Florida strains, AND NO BASS FISHING DURING THE SPAWN. And getting permits to hold bass tournaments, none issued during spawning months. Then we won't have to worry about fish mortality,
we will have their fish and wildlife people at all of our tournaments over looking everthing we do and creating even more restrictive regulations.

Or we could just let our TPWD keep their programs and we will continue to have the excellant bass fishing that we enjoy now.


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too much of this going on.


and not enough

Re: More dead sal [Re: Mulholland] #10705583 03/18/15 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mulholland
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Originally Posted By: Jaret Latta
Does anyone read through the posts or check to see if something has been brought up already on the forum?....
sorry. Texas parks and wildlife posted it 6minutes ago and I didn't see a previous post.i think we as humans have our hands to deep in wildlife. We need to let it run its natural course. The people who are keeping fish legally or illegally will keep doin it and those of us that catch and release will keep on doing so.


So, just to clarify, you are saying TPWD should not improve Texas Freshwater Fisheries in any way, and instead we should embrace anarchy, and hope that the poachers are offset by the sport fishermen (who by the way, do not at all reflect a 0 mortality towards bass) and that we just consider all of this "natural"....

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I think the TPWD does an excellent job and our fisheries reflect that. I also believe you break a few eggs to make an omelet. I also think half the trophy bass donated to SAL would've ended up taken home to Bubba's house to show off and been guaranteed to die, which is a whole hell of a lot less fortunate for our fisheries than it being sent off to breed stocking fish to continue pumping into our lakes.

I also think implying hey should put less focus on OWR/SAL and should stock more is completely misguided thought as they operate the SAL program to stock lakes, with the best possible genetics sampled at current lakes. How does it makes sense to cease SAL to enhance lake stocking, when that is what SAL is? I think a few people should do a lot less fussing and a lot more researching if they honestly care as much as they seem to.

Just move on. You're just here to run your mouth. Did I say anything you said? No you put words in my mouth. Get this straight. I said " people who keep bass will continue to do so and those who don't will continue to do so. " poachers will poach regardless of laws and you are ignorant if you think that just because a law is in places it will stop them.

Re: More dead sal [Re: Fish Killer] #10705600 03/18/15 08:44 PM
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I used to be a big supporter of the SAL program. I'm quickly loosing faith.
I wonder what everyone's opinion would be if these were their children instead of fish that were being cared for? Just food for thought.



Seriously?? Someone putting children and fish on the same level is a whole different issue.....


Point being, if people really care about the improvement of fishing in Texas and the SAL program then you should expect the same level of care that you would expect from someone who watches over your children if you really want them to succeed. If you demand success you will get it, if you tolerate mediocre then you will not achieve success.


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Re: More dead sal [Re: Ban-D] #10705621 03/18/15 08:52 PM
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Re: More dead sal [Re: Bruce Allen] #10705623 03/18/15 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bruce Allen
maybe Texas should go the way of the northern states. No SAL prgrams, no stocking Florida strains, AND NO BASS FISHING DURING THE SPAWN. And getting permits to hold bass tournaments, none issued during spawning months. Then we won't have to worry about fish mortality,



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