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Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: D Thomas] #10032754 06/03/14 03:04 AM
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[quote=Dmt1574]TPWD says to pinch the tail, not fan.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/regulations/outdoor-annual/fishing/measurement-tips [/quit ote]it also says to obtain the maximum overall length which evidently some TD's read to mean sweep the tail


Exactly my point! Everybody does it differently, which is frustrating as sh$&! What about a fish with no top lip? Do you force the mouth all the way closed or close the jaw to it's "natural" closed position as if it had a top lip? That can make the difference in 1/4 to 1/2 an inch... bang


haha.. i know were talking about fork if were talking about fish without an upper lip!

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Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10032765 06/03/14 03:08 AM
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I can't believe this has to be discussed in depth like this.

If the fish doesn't touch 16, keep it. If it does touch 16, throw it back.

I just saved all of you the trouble of having to write anything else. smh. . .

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10032779 06/03/14 03:15 AM
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It's got to be tough to be a TD at Fork, there are lots of borderline fish in that lake on both ends of the slot, and some great anglers that can catch them.


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Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Fish Killer] #10032932 06/03/14 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: Fish Killer
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I know, but it's a very fine line also.


Well you hope its a fine line, so you can tell if its over. the thicker the line the harder a judgment call it is.


Exactly. So is the middle of an 1/8" line on a measuring stick the 16" mark? If so, then touching the line just barely would be 15 15/16", right? Covering the line without going over would be 16 1/16"? Same goes with 24". That's always been something I've wondered about.

I've always wondered why, especially on Fork tournaments, that they haven't come out with some type of measuring device like the EZ Check it that GWs use for crappie and other small fish. Just drop the fish in the device and you could then have as fine a line as you want to check against. The plastic would not get bent, and would not expand/contract with the weather conditions.


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Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: timwins31] #10033122 06/03/14 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted By: timwins31
I can't believe this has to be discussed in depth like this.

If the fish doesn't touch 16, keep it. If it does touch 16, throw it back.

I just saved all of you the trouble of having to write anything else. smh. . .


that is INCORRECT and reason I started this thread, because there are MANY people that don't understand the law like you. so BELIEVE it! now if you are talking about the many tournaments out there that are "under 16" you would be CORRECT.

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: bigfishtx] #10033129 06/03/14 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: bigfishtx
Exactly. So is the middle of an 1/8" line on a measuring stick the 16" mark? If so, then touching the line just barely would be 15 15/16", right?


no, anything "on the line", meaning not short of it with daylight before or over it with some tail over daylight, THEN it is EXACTLY that mark, in Fork's case 16" and legal! this is where doubly important you have same ruler as tournament with same width line and just as accurate.

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10033152 06/03/14 12:27 PM
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Ok, I can't resist. Math is the only exact science and there is only one right.

Has anyone considered where the fish's nose hits the end of the measuring board, how high up? The boards used in tournaments do not accurately measure the real length of the fish, they measure the long leg of a right triangle, the true length of the fish being the hypotenuse.

Making the conservative assumption that an 7 lb 24" fish is 3" thick at the head, the nose would hit 1.5" up on the end of the board. With the tail laying flat on the board, it creates an angled measurement, not a true length of the fish.

Just a quick look at these numbers shows a fish that a 3" thick fish measuring 24" on the board is really about 24.05" long, and a 23 15/16" fish on the board really is 24" on a straight line measurement. The thicker the fish, the more the error, i.e. a 4" thick 23 7/8" board measured fish may be 24" in reality.

You think this could win an argument with the GW on Fork? I know the regs say a board, and the TD of all tournaments says we're using XXX board, so it is consistently applied to everyone. But if we get down deep on this, that measurement method is not accurate.


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Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: bigfishtx] #10033242 06/03/14 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted By: bigfishtx
You think this could win an argument with the GW on Fork? I know the regs say a board, and the TD of all tournaments says we're using XXX board, so it is consistently applied to everyone. But if we get down deep on this, that measurement method is not accurate.


I agree with your points on inaccuracy of measurement, but it is irrelevant until a point you file a lawsuit against tournament organizer or the state. Your points would only help you arguing for an over that didn't go your way, but heck, it may be worth it for one of these high dollar tournaments. that said it is only practical you get what you get with the TD and game warden, their rule is the rule (pun intended), and you have to accept it unless you protest through legal system.

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10033302 06/03/14 01:35 PM
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WOW !!! this 16 inch for Fork thing blew up.

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10033432 06/03/14 02:24 PM
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You know you're stuck at the office or the fish aren't biting when you're arguing about the difference in 16.0000000000 and 16.0000000001

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10035617 06/04/14 02:47 AM
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I think the better story would be certain people can get away with fish over 16" in tournaments while others have fish that are almost too close to call get a DQ.

I had a bag once that was a solid 9lbs that read 7.30. I said is that right? "My scales aren't wrong" *fish dumped in tank"...guy behind me weighs and says "can you zero the scale?" after his weight had been locked in....ZEROED IT NOT ONCE BUT 3 TIMES. Weight increased just under 2lbs (on a bag of UNDERS!?!?!) Next tournament I ask for the scales to be zeroed and was to.d they don't zero scales. I mentioned the angler from the previous tournament and got a nervous laugh and a new weighmaster. Last time I fished that circuit.

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10035677 06/04/14 03:02 AM
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maybe someone should bring a measuring tape with them and when they are told their fish is too long or too short whip the measuring tape out and measure the board and then see their reaction when you tell them so is my measuring tape off lol

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Cameron] #10035992 06/04/14 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: Cameron
I think the better story would be certain people can get away with fish over 16" in tournaments while others have fish that are almost too close to call get a DQ.


i agree.. seen it happen first hand

Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Fork-LegendV21] #10036321 06/04/14 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: Fork-Legend211
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I think the better story would be certain people can get away with fish over 16" in tournaments while others have fish that are almost too close to call get a DQ.


i agree.. seen it happen first hand


Sounds like a need for a higher quality integrity TD


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Re: 16" Bass is LEGAL on Lake Fork! [Re: Rob Lay] #10036336 06/04/14 01:33 PM
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I have heard under 18 will get you 20. Oh are we talking about fish? LOL

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