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Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14312270 03/11/22 06:31 PM
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Good stuff! Thanks!!


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Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: PieFiller1] #14312281 03/11/22 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PieFiller1
First we have a home on Cedar Creek. The lack of ANYTHING growing shallow there has nothing to do with TP&W, dock owners here have decided that they own all the water in front of their property, and therefore will spray, pellet, pull, do whatever it takes to keep anything from growing in front of their docks. It makes me sick, but I have seen it now since we bought our place in 2004.

Second... and I don't want to rile the TFF, but if TPW won't import some hydrilla from the north so we can experience the hey days of the 80's again then lots of guys make trips up there to smallmouth fish in the summer, this seems like an easy fix.

To be honest, I thought the same thing. The fishermen could probably implant the hydrilla. But, the question is why isn't it growing in lakes that have had it? Seems the poison is settling on bottom and making the soil bad for anything to grow.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14312426 03/11/22 08:13 PM
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There hasn't been any hydrilla in the lake since I bought the house but one thing I would note, Our house is on the main lake beside a point. When we first started going there that point, for a long way out into the lake was soft, silt and sand bottom. We used to beach the boat there and the kids would play all up and down the point. As everyone knows we've had significant up and down years with our water level. What most don't realize is when we have those big moves up and they open the gates we get crazy amounts of current, we can see it around our dock. That point no longer has any sand or silt on it, it's 100% hard clay, which I don't think anything will root in. I don't know if we lost that sand/silt to the current, or it washed away when the lake was so low, but the bottom is certainly different there and around our dock that what it was 15-17 years ago. Just my observation.


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Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14312468 03/11/22 08:39 PM
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Biggest problem I saw was the lack of oversight of the spray contractors. They sprayed a ton of areas on toledo that they 100 percent shouldn't have. As in main lake haygrass mats. Tpw confirmed that as well.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14312472 03/11/22 08:44 PM
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Sure seems like a good time to toss a bunch of seeds out at fork to get some type of grass growing. Certainly there is something someone could seed that will take hold and help prevent the massive erosion of shoreline as well as give the bait somewhere to hide and reproduce.

Id buy a big bag of duckweed seed if legal and available or coontail or potato weed, alligator grass seed or whatever. Best time to plant seed is when the lake bottom is exposed in the muck areas like right now. Wonder if there is aquatic grass seed the TPW would be ok with that grow good at Fork, what those types are, and where to purchase in bulk.


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Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14313248 03/12/22 02:49 PM
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So it was stated in the video that Hydrilla from the north would help with the growth and spread of hydrilla but is an invasives species. Who determines what is an invasive species? Is it TPW? Are they making any attempt to get it removed from the list? Not trying to sound overly negative but when it comes to aquatic plants in TX lakes there is a lot of talk from TPW but the only action we seem to hear about is spray and then spray some more.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14313399 03/12/22 05:08 PM
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It sounds crazy that we would put any kind of poison in our water supply. That’s crazy crazy crazy. TPWD is funded by tax money. We pay taxes. It sounds like we need to ask our governor, senators and reps about the issue. Focus the issue on poisoning the water NOT about bass fishing.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: chickenfried76] #14313517 03/12/22 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by chickenfried76
It sounds crazy that we would put any kind of poison in our water supply. That’s crazy crazy crazy. TPWD is funded by tax money. We pay taxes. It sounds like we need to ask our governor, senators and reps about the issue. Focus the issue on poisoning the water NOT about bass fishing.

+1000. The focus should be outlawing the poisoning of our water and fish. TPWD should be all about that as well because they are paid to protect the resources, not just eliminate salvania. There are better ways than poisoning our fish that people eat and water people use.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: VT 18 RIDER] #14313886 03/13/22 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by VT 18 RIDER
That's the history of TPWD. They have killed many lakes with spraying. I will forever miss Purtis Creek in the 90s. They have never learned.

If you have a private lake, the biologist will advice using sonar pellets. It killed our lake in the early 2000s. Once again we are being advice to treat the grass. Homeowners trust the guy they paid so dead the lake goes. It happens more than it should. Poisoning the drinking water never made sense to me.


Yep they killed Purtis Creek and that was after they killed Conroe for many years and they did not learn from that. After Purtis creek was Fork, killing grass.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: Jarrett Latta] #14313894 03/13/22 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarrett Latta
Biggest problem I saw was the lack of oversight of the spray contractors. They sprayed a ton of areas on toledo that they 100 percent shouldn't have. As in main lake haygrass mats. Tpw confirmed that as well.


They DON'T CARE......its just a job to them.

Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14314742 03/14/22 02:37 AM
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Just curious how many on here have seen a lake with salvinia that has gone untreated?
And for those worried about the chemicals hurting your water, chemical spray is a very minor pollutant compared to many other things that go in our lakes. Despite what tv lawyers tell you, herbicides are not as bad as you might imagine. Most of us eat food every day that has been exposed to some kind of pesticide or herbicide. Contractor application control is the main problem. If someone takes enough care treatments are effective and relatively harmless to non-target plants.


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Does anyone have a problem with the guilty party being the “expert witness” in his own trial? Clickbait

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Re: Something about Texas Hydrilla 99% of Us Don't Know [Re: KenTx1962] #14315448 03/14/22 08:31 PM
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time load them livewells up with hydrilla and spread it around

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Originally Posted by Hunter's Dad
Just curious how many on here have seen a lake with salvinia that has gone untreated?
And for those worried about the chemicals hurting your water, chemical spray is a very minor pollutant compared to many other things that go in our lakes. Despite what tv lawyers tell you, herbicides are not as bad as you might imagine. Most of us eat food every day that has been exposed to some kind of pesticide or herbicide. Contractor application control is the main problem. If someone takes enough care treatments are effective and relatively harmless to non-target plants.


I won't argue that the Contractor application control is the main problem, the real question is why isn't the control being done? The contractor is suppose to have approval from the TPWD. Take a look at the approved aquatic vegetation treatment proposal's and see what is being approved at some of the lakes. The one that really sticks out to me is Murvaul which I have not seen much Giant Salvinia on. TPWD approved 5 different chemicals for 600 acres each plus weevil on it. I will admit to not know much about how these chemical work together but it seems to be a bit high for a lake that is only 3,820 acres. I got this data from https://tpwd.texas.gov/landwater/water/environconcerns/nuisance_plants/treat_proposals.phtml

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Originally Posted by tmcdet
Originally Posted by Hunter's Dad
Just curious how many on here have seen a lake with salvinia that has gone untreated?
And for those worried about the chemicals hurting your water, chemical spray is a very minor pollutant compared to many other things that go in our lakes. Despite what tv lawyers tell you, herbicides are not as bad as you might imagine. Most of us eat food every day that has been exposed to some kind of pesticide or herbicide. Contractor application control is the main problem. If someone takes enough care treatments are effective and relatively harmless to non-target plants.


I won't argue that the Contractor application control is the main problem, the real question is why isn't the control being done? The contractor is suppose to have approval from the TPWD. Take a look at the approved aquatic vegetation treatment proposal's and see what is being approved at some of the lakes. The one that really sticks out to me is Murvaul which I have not seen much Giant Salvinia on. TPWD approved 5 different chemicals for 600 acres each plus weevil on it. I will admit to not know much about how these chemical work together but it seems to be a bit high for a lake that is only 3,820 acres. I got this data from https://tpwd.texas.gov/landwater/water/environconcerns/nuisance_plants/treat_proposals.phtml

The problem is, the smaller the lake, the faster Salvinia can completely cover. They have to be extremely aggressive to knock it back on those small lakes, like they did with Athens.


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