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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760755 05/18/18 08:05 PM
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760756 05/18/18 08:07 PM
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Here's a little secret... more cops, metal detectors, armed teachers, etc. will not stop the school shootings.

Maybe it will improve response time and possibly decrease the number of victims, but it will do nothing to limit the number of deranged people that decide they want to go shoot up a room full of innocents.


Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760758 05/18/18 08:08 PM
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One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7. Once those campuses are secure, we can begin with mental health evaluations of students who are flagged as a possible threat, CPS visits to their homes with their parent(s). If they're determined to be a risk to themselves or the public, they get committed, and not to an alternative school.


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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: fouzman] #12760765 05/18/18 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7.


One way in and one way out in a school would probably be very high on the building code and fire code violation list.

Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: fouzman] #12760767 05/18/18 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7.


Probably work. Good employment for ex military.

And the cost is higher taxes. Will anyone want to pay for it. They're complaining about higher taxes all the time on here.

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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760768 05/18/18 08:14 PM
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: PondFish] #12760770 05/18/18 08:15 PM
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One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7.


One way in and one way out in a school would probably be very high on the building code and fire code violation list.


Exceptions to exits will be made in cases of an emergency. With those same armed guards and the responding LEOs stationed at those exits.


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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: fouzman] #12760775 05/18/18 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
One way in. One way out. Retired, young special forces or experienced S.W.A.T. guys, paid at the top of their grade, full benefits, armed and stationed outside and inside the one way entry/exit. Through a metal detector after you clear exterior security. At least four of them on campus at all times during class. 2 of them 24/7. Once those campuses are secure, we can begin with mental health evaluations of students who are flagged as a possible threat, CPS visits to their homes with their parent(s). If they're determined to be a risk to themselves or the public, the get committed, and not to an alternative school.

This may be the best "easy fix". Controlled entrance and exit with some kind of detection system. The problem would be at some schools (like Arlington Martin HS, with about 3,400) with high enrollments. Trying to get that many in a door would take a while. Maybe stagger the arrival times by class (freshman, sophomore, etc).


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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Uncle Zeek] #12760813 05/18/18 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Zeek
I honestly believe this would deter a huge number of these incidents:




I honestly believe you're dead wrong.
The last few mass shootings at schools were ones that had armed persons in the school.
Like terrorists that have no concern for their own lives, these kids are obviously so disturbed that the chance of dying isn't a deterrent.


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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760815 05/18/18 08:41 PM
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Bad idea.

Especially if the riffraff that hang around police stations and city jails were brought into close proximity with children.


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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Emit R Detsaw] #12760823 05/18/18 08:44 PM
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760825 05/18/18 08:45 PM
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760831 05/18/18 08:54 PM
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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760839 05/18/18 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: Notaguide
Or it could be seen as a challenge to someone that wants to die anyway


And therein is the problem, there is no way to stop someone who wants to die. I dont think thats being negative or pessimistic, I think its reality. Cold, sober, hard, reality. We will never be able to stop this from happening.

Of all the approaches Im aware of, the Argyle approach makes the most sense to me. Prevent, decrease...etc. yes, but elimination isnt feasible.

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Re: The best real solution I can think of to prevent these school tragedies [Re: Notaguide] #12760853 05/18/18 09:13 PM
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Quit glorifying (for want of a better word) mass murderers in the media . How many potential psychopaths have been "inspired" by the infamous ?

Shoot , Shovel , Shut up .

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