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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/07/17 03:25 AM
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Billy Blazer 300 HPDI
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Good chance not only will fairfield and Monticello not be brought back online, they will more than just be mothballed, may be demoed.
Coal fired power plans are at risk and have been for a long time.
I call on industrial facilities for a living including Corp HQ, Luminant (Vistra now).
Quite a few utility companies in this country are in bankruptcy.
Thanks, Billy
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/07/17 03:51 AM
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Yes mothball was the wrong word, once these plants go off-line their chance of coming back is just about nil.
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/07/17 12:21 PM
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Cheap natural gas Is the reason coal plants are shutting down. EPA is the reason coal plants are shutting down.
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/07/17 03:23 PM
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Dan90210 ☮
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Cheap natural gas Is the reason coal plants are shutting down. EPA is the reason coal plants are shutting down. And its being replaced with cheaper and cleaner gas... I say good riddance and learn how to fish in the cold like everyone else lol.
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/07/17 04:19 PM
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Cheap natural gas Is the reason coal plants are shutting down. EPA is the reason coal plants are shutting down. From the DMN... Luminant officials said cheap natural gas and Texas' competitive energy market has gradually made these decades-old plants unprofitable. No mention of the EPA.
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/08/17 01:36 AM
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Cheap natural gas Is the reason coal plants are shutting down. EPA is the reason coal plants are shutting down. From the DMN... Luminant officials said cheap natural gas and Texas' competitive energy market has gradually made these decades-old plants unprofitable. No mention of the EPA. Are these cheap, natural gas plants on a body of water? Are they old coal-firing plants that have been converted to natural gas?
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/08/17 01:40 AM
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Cheap natural gas Is the reason coal plants are shutting down. EPA is the reason coal plants are shutting down. From the DMN... Luminant officials said cheap natural gas and Texas' competitive energy market has gradually made these decades-old plants unprofitable. No mention of the EPA. Are these cheap, natural gas plants on a body of water? Are they old coal-firing plants that have been converted to natural gas? I would guess no need for a large cooling reservoir for these new gas powered plants, technology changes
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/08/17 01:57 AM
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/08/17 03:42 AM
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I'll let y'all know how it fishes Saturday.
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/10/17 01:58 AM
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The fishing on that lake is the best I've ever seen it be.
Why anyone would want to go to Squaw is beyond me.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/10/17 06:44 AM
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/10/17 02:06 PM
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Wind and Solar is the only new constuction in the Power Gen Market. It will at some point replace the plants running on Natural Gas. Many of the Natural Gas plants are smaller combined Cycle.
Example, Panda Electric is Sherman is gas plant.
Luminant has many small gas fired plants, many are located at some of the larger site that have been shut down, like Granbury. They are nothing in size to say Moniticello which has three 550 MW units as I recall. The Granbury site which was shut down a few years back and may still be shut down was shut down because of Wind power. When the wind quits blowing which is does from time to time is made by brining combined cycle plants on line quickly. In the future the combined cycle make up plants will be replaced by renewables (Batteries) as the technology gets better.
There are a few large gas fired plants, 550 MW with Hot Ponds, but I can't recall which ones. I do not spend as much time in this industry as I once did.
Some of the sites when built, like the Konawa plant in Oklahoma were combination plants, would run on gas, oil and or coal. But they always ran both untis on coal. Its a very complicated task to switch from one fuel source to another due to supplier contracts for gas and coal.
The Utility business is complex mess with all the ERCOT and NERC CIP guidelines/requirements.
I hate to see these plants shut down, but times change. It will be interesting to see how the lakes evlolve. My guess they will do fine and fishing will be different but my guess will be good.
Thanks, Billy
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/10/17 02:36 PM
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Wind power plants will only last as long as the gov keeps flipping the bill. I work on a few sites building them and from what were told they are slowing down on buildingm them. Once the gov fund stop so will they. The cost to much and make to little...
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/10/17 04:44 PM
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I have to agree that natural gas plants seems like a big part of the future with the new found reserves and drilling but where are all these "new gas plants"? All I have seen as far as natural gas fired plants is closings through the years of all the antiquated/inefficient plants like Granbury, Arlington, Ray Hubbard, Mountain Creek.... Only "new" gas plant I remember in a long while is the newer(relatively) one on the south shores of Granbury but they pull the cold water from the lake but dump the warm water in the Brazos below Granbury's dam :-(. Any one actually know of plans for some "new" gas fired plants in the near future?
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Re: fairfeild power plant
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12/10/17 04:56 PM
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Wind and Solar is the only new constuction in the Power Gen Market. It will at some point replace the plants running on Natural Gas. Many of the Natural Gas plants are smaller combined Cycle.
Example, Panda Electric is Sherman is gas plant.
Luminant has many small gas fired plants, many are located at some of the larger site that have been shut down, like Granbury. They are nothing in size to say Moniticello which has three 550 MW units as I recall. The Granbury site which was shut down a few years back and may still be shut down was shut down because of Wind power. When the wind quits blowing which is does from time to time is made by brining combined cycle plants on line quickly. In the future the combined cycle make up plants will be replaced by renewables (Batteries) as the technology gets better.
There are a few large gas fired plants, 550 MW with Hot Ponds, but I can't recall which ones. I do not spend as much time in this industry as I once did.
Some of the sites when built, like the Konawa plant in Oklahoma were combination plants, would run on gas, oil and or coal. But they always ran both untis on coal. Its a very complicated task to switch from one fuel source to another due to supplier contracts for gas and coal.
The Utility business is complex mess with all the ERCOT and NERC CIP guidelines/requirements.
I hate to see these plants shut down, but times change. It will be interesting to see how the lakes evlolve. My guess they will do fine and fishing will be different but my guess will be good.
Konawa don't run unless it gets the bid or Muskogee or Sooner are in overhaul. Weve had a shad kill the last extended cold spells we've had.
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