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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
[Re: Kens3313]
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02/28/17 01:40 AM
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kevine80
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have a breaker on mine but never turn it off ! have never had a problem and have never heard of that
i have minn kota charger --maybe its designed to not eat its fellow product ?
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 01:50 AM
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The requirement is made by the trolling motor, not the charger. Even with a well designed TM, the charger could go bonkers, exceed max. spec. of the TM, and harm it. So, use the breaker/switch. If you don't believe me, call MK customer support and they will tell you what I'm telling you.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
[Re: Kens3313]
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02/28/17 01:57 AM
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
[Re: Kens3313]
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02/28/17 02:01 AM
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Seems like the circuit breaker would catch any surge of power that's too high for the trolling motor. I got the Minn Kota circuit breaker 60 amp and its the manual reset one. I'm not sure if it has a manual trip to disconnect it though. It was about 30 bucks. I haven't hooked it up yet. If not I may have to get a switch to cut power off. I'm going to be hard wiring mine in so I cant just unplug mine.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 02:10 AM
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The breakers that are only a breaker have one button to push.
The combo breaker/switch units have two buttons, or a lever that swings between "ON" and "OFF". Post a pic if you want and I can tell you if you are uncertain. I like to use the combo because there are two fewer connections than if you have a switch AND a breaker. There's more to corrode or go wrong with two components when the job can be done with one.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 02:30 AM
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I am an "unplugeverythingeverytime" kinda owner.
I make a living in the 12 volt world and I know, all too well, what happens.
Eat. Sleep. Fish.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 02:39 AM
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Jarrett Latta
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We direct wire trolling motors to eliminate issues at the plug. Never an issue with charging. 50 amp breakers at battery.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 02:50 AM
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The breakers that are only a breaker have one button to push.
The combo breaker/switch units have two buttons, or a lever that swings between "ON" and "OFF". Post a pic if you want and I can tell you if you are uncertain. I like to use the combo because there are two fewer connections than if you have a switch AND a breaker. There's more to corrode or go wrong with two components when the job can be done with one. This is the one I got from amazon, its a 60 amp breaker, I don't believe this is able to switch off. http://mk.factoryoutletstore.com/details...logitemid=35330
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 03:17 AM
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You are correct. That one can't be switched off manually. You should send it back, or keep as spare. I can get you a link for a better option that should be less money.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 03:26 AM
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 05:17 AM
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Here is the Amazon link for a Bussmann Combination Breaker/Disconnect available for $30: Bussman 60A breaker on Amazon This breaker has a red button to push to manually disconnect. If the breaker trips or you press the red button, an arm swings out from under the protective hood. Swinging that arm back into position resets the breaker. Note that this breaker is waterproof, and ignition protected. (Ignition protected means that it will not emit any spark to cause a fire or explosion if the breaker trips in the presence of combustible vapors.) This breaker is fully adequate for what you need. Bussmann is the parent company for Blue Sea Systems. Bussmann or Blue Sea appears to be the supplier for Minn Kota's branded breakers, btw.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
[Re: Flippin-Out]
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02/28/17 05:23 AM
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Here is the Amazon link for a Bussmann Combination Breaker/Disconnect available for $30: Bussman 60A breaker on Amazon This breaker has a red button to push to manually disconnect. If the breaker trips or you press the red button, an arm swings out from under the protective hood. Swinging that arm back into position resets the breaker. Note that this breaker is waterproof, and ignition protected. (Ignition protected means that it will not emit any spark to cause a fire or explosion if the breaker trips in the presence of combustible vapors.) This breaker is fully adequate for what you need. Bussmann is the parent company for Blue Sea Systems. Bussmann or Blue Sea appears to be the supplier for Minn Kota's branded breakers, btw. This is what's on my new Skeeter. I also used to never disconnect but had it explained that with the new digital boards it's important. This is on one side at the back of my boat and battery on off switch on the other. I also leave the battery switch off until I'm on the water. This prevents any accidental deployments of the powerpoles while trailering. It's now become a habit to either turn both off or both on.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 05:33 AM
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Breakers are designed to trip based on excessive amperage passing through the breaker. A typical power surge is all about voltage, not amperage. It can be a very high voltage spike happening for mere thousands of a second. The amperage of such spikes can also be very low - a tiny fraction of an amp. This doesn't trip the breaker, and the TM can be fried in less time than it takes for you to blink.
If a charger malfunctions for certain reasons, it may loose regulation of voltage at each battery. Let's say a charger malfunctions and suddenly starts delivering 20V to each battery. At 20V, the charger amps will climb rapidly, blowing the fuse on each battery connection from the charger. On a 36V system, you'd get 60V at or near 0 amps on the TM electronics for just an instant before the charger fuses blow. But, before they do, the TM has already been fried. This is because the 60A breaker doesn't react to voltage - only amperage. If the disconnect is tripped to OFF, all you will need is a new charger. The other way isn't pretty.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 05:39 AM
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Skeeter did it right, and you were very smart to listen to them. That cut-off protects the Power Poles from an "oops" deployment as well as protect them from a power surge or malfunctioning charger.
BTW, I've read of people with a Power Pole FOB in their pants pocket accidentally deploying poles while trailering....owner induced damage, not even a system malfunction.
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Re: Trolling motor cut off switch
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02/28/17 05:53 AM
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My Ranger has a TM power cut off in the battery area, I cut off all power when leaving the lake, flip it back on when arrive at lake. I also have a main power cutoff switch that cuts all power to starter battery and all components connected to starter battery, I do the same with it. Better safe than sorry!
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