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 Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: Jeezy]
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02/16/17 02:37 AM
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fish farmer
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Longer growing season at Falcon compared to Marine Creek.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: Jarrett Latta]
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02/16/17 02:59 AM
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Dubee
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1 over 13 doesn't make it the next fork. There have been plenty of random 13's caught from small lakes and ponds all over the state. I don't think anyone said it's the next fork. This is a couple hundred acre bowl with no cover and almost no forage. I think it's amazing one made to the teens.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: fouzman]
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02/16/17 05:23 AM
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Since the frame of reference is 13 pounds, in my opinion, if a 13-plus-pound bass can be confirmed by genetic analysis to be the offspring of a SL then it would be a data point. Since the 14.12 was caught outside of the season I suspect no fin clip was taken. So while the fish could have still been the genuine article I believe there was no scientific proof. If that was the case, it wouldn't be accepted by the scientific community.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/16/17 05:49 AM
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cephusjoe
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I just think you should let nature be natural.
Mcurtain county okie
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/16/17 05:51 AM
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cephusjoe
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The Florida stain is cool but trying to brood a new world record dilutes the title. IMO
Mcurtain county okie
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: NoWeighers]
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02/16/17 05:57 AM
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The Naconichie fish was not a pure Florida.. Its mother was caught out of Falcon.. It was a cross..
In regards to SL fish growing faster than pure Floridas.. PAW allegedly started a growth rate test on these two different fish, under exact same conditions for both fish, about five years ago.. The results of which have never been shared with the public.. Which I was promised a long time ago..
I ain't holding my breath.. From what I understand, the study consists of four lakes. Each lake was stocked once with SL fingerlings and Florida bass fingerlings over a four year period. So if the first lake was stocked let's say in 2011, then the last lake would have been stocked in 2014. Since the growth comparison is made when the fish are 4 years old, the last sample should be collected from the last lake in 2018. Give them a couple of years to write it up, and you should have the results by about 2020 at the very earliest.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: Easy Fisherman]
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02/16/17 12:08 PM
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RedRanger
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The question has never been if the program works- it's that it has been misused and people have been lied to about their intent- did you forget about the large political donator getting all those fingerling and then charging over 1000 a day to fish Never heard that one
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 786]
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02/16/17 12:14 PM
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NoWeighers
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The Naconichie fish was not a pure Florida.. Its mother was caught out of Falcon.. It was a cross..
In regards to SL fish growing faster than pure Floridas.. PAW allegedly started a growth rate test on these two different fish, under exact same conditions for both fish, about five years ago.. The results of which have never been shared with the public.. Which I was promised a long time ago..
I ain't holding my breath.. From what I understand, the study consists of four lakes. Each lake was stocked once with SL fingerlings and Florida bass fingerlings over a four year period. So if the first lake was stocked let's say in 2011, then the last lake would have been stocked in 2014. Since the growth comparison is made when the fish are 4 years old, the last sample should be collected from the last lake in 2018. Give them a couple of years to write it up, and you should have the results by about 2020 at the very earliest. Where did you get the details on this trial? That is not the way I understood it to run at all.. Why would you need to do it over a four year period of stocking? And why all the mystery from PAW? Maybe this was a different "Test".. They're about as transparent as the Obamma administration..
James Bendele
Falcon Lake Tackle
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/16/17 12:26 PM
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the skipper
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Has the average size of bass caught increased over time? Last I looked at Rayburn and toledo it stays pretty constant. Driscoll puts out a report yearly based on big tourney results. I admit I haven't seen one that goes back past a few years, but that's why I ask. If the program was working the average size of fish would be increasing. With a 1-3% survival rate I would think our money would be much better spent on increasing that number. I know, I know, it's a sponsored program and all that b.s.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: fouzman]
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02/16/17 12:46 PM
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Ken A.
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Can anyone explain to me what is so special about a 13 lb. bass that is 11 years old? Have you seen Marine Creek lake? I agree the growth rate is not that special but for a bass to get to 13# in that mud hole is pretty special.
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/16/17 12:48 PM
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Jarrett Latta
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Rayburn is a new lake every 5 years or so when it floods for a couple years then gets really low that's the one saving factor it has going. Without those drastic water levels it would suck with the immense tournament pressure. The stockings help but they mean nothing without the flooded cover allowing both bass and forage to thrive
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: Ken A.]
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02/16/17 01:27 PM
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Bass&More
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Can anyone explain to me what is so special about a 13 lb. bass that is 11 years old? Have you seen Marine Creek lake? I agree the growth rate is not that special but for a bass to get to 13# in that mud hole is pretty special.  
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: Statton48]
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02/16/17 03:06 PM
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If the funding was possible, it would be great if all Tx lakes had participated in this. Tpwd is one of the greatest if not "the" greatest wildlife regulating and conservationist a state has governmentally provided. I agree totally. It amazes me how some seem to have an axe to grind against TPWD. If it wasn't for TPWD, we wouldn't even have Florida strain bass here in Texas. "Negativity abounds on the Forum" Next month, I will be setting a fifth wheel on the shore of Mother Fork, I will do all I can to catch my 13# bass before I croak. If I don't, no big deal!
PB 9lbs 13oz
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: 1WithTXFish]
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02/16/17 04:05 PM
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AgSellers04
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I think it is safe to say that the Sharelunker program has more opposition now than it did ten years ago. This can't be for no reason.
PBs LMB- 11 lbs., 7 oz. Falcon  Striper- 40 lb. Long Is. Sound BlueCat- 30 lb. Texoma Hybrid-8.2 lb. Lewisville Cutthroat Trout-22" Yellowstone R, WY Rainbow Trout- 21" Blitzen R, OR Steelhead- 8 lb. Umpqua R, OR Redfish-20 lb. Panama C. Bay, FL
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Re: TXPW ShareLunker breeding program might be working
[Re: west tex angler]
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02/16/17 04:12 PM
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Bullet20XrD
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If the funding was possible, it would be great if all Tx lakes had participated in this. Tpwd is one of the greatest if not "the" greatest wildlife regulating and conservationist a state has governmentally provided. I agree totally. It amazes me how some seem to have an axe to grind against TPWD. If it wasn't for TPWD, we wouldn't even have Florida strain bass here in Texas. "Negativity abounds on the Forum" Next month, I will be setting a fifth wheel on the shore of Mother Fork, I will do all I can to catch my 13# bass before I croak. If I don't, no big deal! Hmmm... well if your goal is to catch a 13+ I'd recommend Lake Austin... oh wait, TPWD destroyed the ecosystem there and the lake that once produced numerous fish over 13 lbs every year and numerous bags over 40 lbs has been reduced to one of the worst lakes in Texas in the span of 1 year.
Last edited by Bullet20XrD; 02/16/17 04:13 PM. Reason: Forgot my axe :-)
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